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re: Politifact in action. Trump's 100% true statement rated mostly false
Posted on 2/26/17 at 8:50 am to La Place Mike
Posted on 2/26/17 at 8:50 am to La Place Mike
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Or that almost all of the 20 million newly insured are on medicaid.
An article in our statewide paper a couple of weeks ago said that close to 25%, 250,000, of Arkansans are on Medicaid since the inception of Obocare. The way our democrat gov. Beebe, at the time, worked out a deal to embrace Obocare, US citizens other than those in state have been footing the bill.
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Posted on 2/26/17 at 8:56 am to a want
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You do realize he operating off the budget from the Obama admin, right?
Obama never had a budget
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:00 am to goldennugget
Doesn't even pass the smell test.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:11 am to UHTiger
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It cites the entire tweet and explains why it is rated mostly false (because it is).
The claim by Trump is 100% true, the public debt has gone down by $12 billion since he has taken office. Now, that claim is meaningless because the debt is going to increase but something being meaningless doesn't make it "mostly false."
For example, I could be at a gas station, filling up my car, and tell someone "The gas in my car has gone down by 15 gallons since last week." The fact that I am refilling my car with gas doesn't make statement that the gas in my car decreased by 15 gallons in the previous week false. Or are you claiming that by me saying that the gas in my car decreased by 15 gallons I have said something "mostly false" because I have refueled?
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 9:17 am
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:13 am to a want
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You can almost always find a way that a number is technically correct from some tortured perspective.
There was a small book written about this many years ago for Stats 101 classes..."How to lie with statistics." We know Trump has read at least one book.
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 9:33 am
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:14 am to Homesick Tiger
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An article in our statewide paper a couple of weeks ago said that close to 25%, 250,000, of Arkansans are on Medicaid since the inception of Obocare. The way our democrat gov. Beebe, at the time, worked out a deal to embrace Obocare, US citizens other than those in state have been footing the bill.
This is off-topic but you should look at Kentucky's stats. Something like 1.2 million Kentuckians are on Medicaid while only 87,000 receive with APTC or have enrolled in a Qualified Health Plan through the federal exchange. That 87,000 number is actually down ~2000 from 2016 open enrollment numbers.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:15 am to a want
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Uhhh. Context is the whole point of fact checking.....To provide broader context for bull shite figures politicians come up with. You can almost always find a way that a number is technically correct from some tortured perspective.
Is his claim that the debt went down by $12 billion in his first month in office true? If so then the claim should be "Mostly True" with the article, and context, explaining why that number is meaningless.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:16 am to goldennugget
Thanks Obama!
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:19 am to Old Hellen Yeller
quote:I'd thank anyone who could balance our budget.
Thanks Obama!
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:31 am to a want
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Is Trump an idiot for believing that stat, or does he take you for an idiot? Which is it? You get to pick, but it has to be one or the other.
Trump knows it isn't his doing and Trump supporters know it....they are playing a game because they suffer from the delusion that it is a far, far more important thing to piss people off and pretend to be obtuse than it is to take the business of being the single most important person and the single most important nation on the planet. That is why being politically incorrect is so important to them....although they really don't understand the concept of political incorrectness because they use phrases like "faux outrage" when people start whining when they are triggered...you can't simulatneously be political incorrect and then claim your political incorrectness shouldn't offend anyone...offended people is the point of being politically incorrect...
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:35 am to a want
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a want
The independent!!
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:38 am to a want
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You do realize he operating off the budget from the Obama admin, right? Also, this was covered yesterday. The stat is absolutely meaningless. Obama "reduced the debt by billionions" also many, many times by that metric. It's worthless.
It is either true or false. You are deplorable.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:54 am to goldennugget
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The National Debt in my first month went down $12 billion.
The first problem is that you mis-quoted what Trump tweeted. What Trump actually tweeted was:
“The media has not reported that the National Debt in my first month went down by $12 billion vs a $200 billion increase in Obama first mo.”
Trump not only provided the data you gave in your quote, but also wanted credit for the decline in the National debt.
Politifact was not he only one to call Trump out on that. The Washington Times headline read:
"Trump demands credit for drop in national debt," and the WaTimes article said:
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But the debt had actually been holding fairly steady since just before Thanksgiving, or about two months before Mr. Trump took office. It stood at $19.9 trillion as of the middle of November, came within a whisker of $20 trillion around the new year, and now stands back at $19.9 trillion again. LINK
Forbes also commented on Trump's tweet under the headline:
"Trump's Right, The Debt Has Fallen $12 Billion - It's Nothing To Do With Trump Though", and the Forbes article went on to say:
quote:LINK
He’s right that it has fallen–and it’s also absolutely nothing at all to do with the fact that Donald Trump was elected nor that he took office. It’s about the vagaries of Federal accounting plus the fact that tax revenue is rather “lumpy” to use the vernacular. What it isn’t is a signal that the national debt is on a downward path generally– .
What Trump tweeted was a half truth. Most people I know consider a half truth a lie.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:57 am to a want
He just thinks fuks like you are idiots! That really should not be hard to discern now should it. I hope this answered your question.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:09 am to Bullethead88
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The first problem is that you mis-quoted what Trump tweeted. What Trump actually tweeted was:
“The media has not reported that the National Debt in my first month went down by $12 billion vs a $200 billion increase in Obama first mo.”
Trump not only provided the data you gave in your quote, but also wanted credit for the decline in the National debt.
Politifact wasn't rating the entire tweet though they were specifically rating the $12 billion reduction statement.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:10 am to Bullethead88
quote:Politifact claims to seek the truth. Rating Trump's 100% true assertion as "False" establishes Politifact as 100% Politifake. Sorry.
Politifact was not he only one to call Trump out on that.
And btw, I agree with your observations regarding this being Obama's budget.
But this thread is about the irresponsibility of Politifact.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:51 am to MFn GIMP
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Politifact wasn't rating the entire tweet though they were specifically rating the $12 billion reduction statement.
Not so.
The headline read only as to the $12 billion reduction statement but the Politifact rating was based on the entire tweet, which was quoted in the Politifact article. LINK
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:15 am to NC_Tigah
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Politifact claims to seek the truth. Rating Trump's 100% true assertion as "False" establishes Politifact as 100% Politifake.
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But this thread is about the irresponsibility of Politifact.
The Politifact rating of "Mostly false" was not just based on the $12 billion dollar figure as being true or false, but on the whole tweet wherein Trump implied that he should be given credit for the decline in the debt. LINK
Trump's tweet, when taken as a whole, was certainly not 100% true. That said, Politifact's rating of "Mostly false" is likely too harsh, but certainly not 100% wrong.
But, as I said in my post, "What Trump tweeted was a half truth. Most people I know consider a half truth a lie."
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:15 am to a want
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Some of us voted for a fiscal conservative in the primary
quote:seriously, go frick yourself loser.
a want
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:38 am to Bullethead88
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Trump's tweet, when taken as a whole, was certainly not 100% true.
bullshite. Trump cited two statistics and two time frames. If both were true, then labeling them false in any way is flat out lying.
Trump did not say the decrease was because of him or blame Obama for the increase. You or anyone else thinking he implied something, and using that to justify lying about the accuracy of the information in the tweet is wrong. A lot of the Trump supporters are wackos, but this kind of cumulative dishonesty forces neutral people like me to agree with claims that the media is slanted against certain groups and is routinely dishonest.
The fact that you are defending something this clear cut says a lot about what you will do to prove a point.
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