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re: philly soda tax only brings in 30% of expected receipts in first month
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Isnt this like any other "sin" tax?
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:39 pm to GetCocky11
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Woah. What a stupid idea.
it's only stupid if the stores don't engage in price gouging
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Mayor Jim Kenney, who proposed the soda tax and championed its passage through city council last year, told reporters on Tuesday it's not the new 1.5-cents-per-ounce tax that's making it more expensive to buy a can of Coke in Philly. No, according to the mayor, those higher prices are caused by city businesses price gouging their customers in order to stir up opposition to the tax.
"They're gouging their own customers," Kenney said, KYW News reports.
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In the real world, those sandwich shops and grocery stores, of course, are adjusting the retail price of sugary drinks to make up for the added cost imposed by the tax. Some of them have posted signs to inform customers why drink prices have skyrocketed.
Kenney doesn't like that. He called those efforts "wrong" and "misleading" and suggested that it could be an extension of the expensive fight put up by soda companies, retailers, and even the city's Teamsters Union in a failing effort to prevent the tax from passing in the first place.
"This is what they do," Kenney told KYW News. "And they'll continue to lose because their legal case is not sound and their public case is not sound."
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This is what they do," Kenney told KYW News. "And they'll continue to lose because their legal case is not sound and their public case is not sound."
I'm not sure what their legal case is, it their public case seems to have already been settled. People aren't buying sweetened drinks, period.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:48 pm to slackster
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People aren't buying sweetened drinks, period.
wrong
they're buying sugary drinks
just right outside the city
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is only in the city limits of Philadelphia. People are already going across the delaware river and hitting up those 5- 12packs for $11 deals and bringing them back into the city. He has done nothing but hurt his constituents and enrich the surrounding communities.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No, according to the mayor, those higher prices are caused by city businesses price gouging their customers in order to stir up opposition to the tax.
"They're gouging their own customers," Kenney said, KYW News reports.
Well, a 1.5 cent tax on a case of 12oz cokes (288oz) would be $4.32.
Assuming that case of coke was about $12 before, we're talking about a 30+% increase in cost.
The people are being price-gouged alright. But it's by the government, not the retailers.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:49 pm to AUbused
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Isnt this like any other "sin" tax?
Sales taxes are the only types of taxes I'm okay with, but this tax is dumb. It's far too high. It would be cheaper to drive out of town and buy all of your sweetened beverages there. They really didn't put a lot of thought into this.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they're buying sugary drinks
just right outside the city
Touche.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they're buying sugary drinks
just right outside the city
Next they'll enact prohibition-era type laws against transporting a certain amount of sugary beverages into the city at one time.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's only stupid if the stores don't engage in price gouging
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Newswork's Katie Colaneri visited Carbonator Rental Services in Philadelphia to break down the math. The distributors sells five-gallon boxes of syrup that can be used in soda fountains, and each box costs a retailer about $60.
Thanks to the city's new tax, though, retailers have to pay $57.60 in taxes for each of those boxes of syrup.
"We're not talking about a couple of bucks on a $60 item," Andy Pincus, who owns Carbonator Rental Services, told Newsworks. "We're talking about $57.60 on a $60 item. It's too big not to pass on."
I mean, it is hard to argue with that.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:52 pm to imjustafatkid
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Next they'll enact prohibition-era type laws against transporting a certain amount of sugary beverages into the city at one time.
they'll probably also do some sort of labeling/licensing system
government loves that shite
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:52 pm to HempHead
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Taxes on inelastic products and services work. Not so much on soft drinks, it's pretty obvious that it discourages purchasing them.
Or you buy them in an adjoining jurisdiction.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:53 pm to UGATiger26
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Assuming that case of coke was about $12 before, we're talking about a 30+% increase in cost.
The people are being price-gouged alright. But it's by the government, not the retailers.
the mayor expects the store to eat that increase, i think
raising the price with the tax is "price gouging"
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
Idk what the mayor is trying to do, but I wonder how this passed in the first place. Customers quite obviously were against it.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the mayor expects the store to eat that increase, i think
raising the price with the tax is "price gouging"
Ah, I see now. The tax isn't supposed to "apply" at the retail level.
So, if I'm a small family-owned restaurant that sells cans of soft drinks, and I buy 1000 cans wholesale to replenish my inventory, I'm slammed with $18,000 in extra taxes? And I'm just supposed to take that out of my profit margin? That probably IS my profit margin!
This mayor is an imbecile. So are the people who actually thought this would be a good idea.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:02 pm to Mike Honcho
quote:these people probably consider themselves Philadelphians too
the surrounding communities.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:05 pm to slackster
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Idk what the mayor is trying to do, but I wonder how this passed in the first place. Customers quite obviously were against it.
Their city council has 17 members, 14 of which are democrats plus a Democrat mayor. Governing against the will of the people comes naturally to them.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:16 pm to slackster
Tax will benefit poor people!
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Pennsylvania has an inherently regressive tax structure enshrined in its constitution, and its inequity has been discussed and grappled with for years, without any progress. The disproportionate tax burden the state's poorest currently shoulder might never be addressed.
In actuality, enacting a soda tax in Philadelphia might very well turn out to be one of the most equitable taxes in the commonwealth. Advocates of fair taxation ought to train their sites on extant taxes that currently penalize the poor and benefit the rich.
This is particularly the case when progressive Philadelphians learn that most of the untreated or poorly managed diabetes, heart disease and other health problems linked with excessive sugary beverage intake are found among lower-income individuals. In Philadelphia, this means the poor would gain from the revenue of the tax, and their health also would increase.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I mean a consumption tax on a non-necessity (I guess diabetics who need to raise their blood sugar aside) is a pretty fair, but I'm curious who was actually taxed.
In actuality, enacting a soda tax in Philadelphia might very well turn out to be one of the most equitable taxes in the commonwealth.
I would imagine wealthier individuals have better means of transportation, or live near other municipalities to access the same products and avoid the tax. Although, they may be less inclined to care too.
Either way, what a bunch of moral mumbo jumbo.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:29 pm to imjustafatkid
I bet the mob is already bootlegging soda into the city.
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