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Our education system is just Marxism

Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:28 am
Posted by anc
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:28 am
there’s been a shift in terminology away from ‘equality’ and towards ‘equity’. You may have noticed it in the media, on campuses, or in political discussions. Often, a graphic like the one below is used to show the difference:



For years, all we heard was EQUALITY EQUALITY EQUALITY. Equality has been achieved, and the outcomes aren't hat the progressives dreamed of.

Think back to your childhood- remember the show 'Sesame Street?" Its a bunch of puppets that live in the city (some in rough areas) and they help kids learn. It was created as a way to help inner city kids catch up with their suburban, white peers.

Depending on how you look at it, Sesame Street was a brilliant success or a complete failure. Inner city test scores improved marginally after Sesame Street. But what happened is their suburban counterparts were watching as well, and the test scores improved dramatically, actually widening the gap. Sesame Street went from a tool to help equal the playing field to a licensing and toy franchise.

Essentially, what the equity movement admits is that providing equal resources does not result in equal outcomes. In doing so, they admit that equal opportunity is impossible. To create equal outcomes, equity is required.

In some ways, the graphic alone reminds one of the idea made most famous by Karl Marx:

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!”
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:30 am to
Liberalism like this will always fail long-term because it denies that which cannot be denied: human nature.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:32 am to
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To create equal outcomes, equity is required.

the fallacy of assuming the former can be possible is progressivism in a nutshell

the sad part is that there is a lot of data about what works in creating success but often the data is rejected because it doesn't fall in line with the cultural norms creating the gaps. see: the disadvantage of children being born out of wedlock and the disadvantage of single parents raising children
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:33 am to
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human nature.



Is it human nature than people fail or succeed as groups?
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:34 am to
Think of a country where you would only be allowed to shop at a grocery store based on where you live. Regardless of what you want to buy, you can only go to this store no matter what they sell.

We don't do this with supermarkets, but we do it with public education. It's closer to Communism than most people realize.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:37 am to
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Is it human nature than people fail or succeed as groups?
Human nature attributes to failing or succeeding as individuals and as groups. Not all groups succeed and not all individuals fail.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:39 am to
I'm not sure your graphic makes your point.

The additional boosts are "great teaching" and "individual support". That implies that all three kids are coming out smart and educated.

If one said "high standards" then said "lowered standards", it would be better at making your point.

I mean, special education children and children with disabilities have great teachers and more individualized support as well.
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:45 am to
Equality has been and always will be a pipe dream as it presumes 'all things being considered equal'...in what world do some people live? Never thought much of simply being equal as being superior has always had much more appeal and have darn sure worked hard to avoid being whatever the hell equal means...equal to what and by whose standards? We never taught our children to aspire to being simply equal. We did teach them life if full of inequities and sometimes they may feel the weight of same, right or wrong, but they still had choice as how to respond.

As for equity, wth does that even mean?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:49 am to
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The additional boosts are "great teaching" and "individual support". That implies that all three kids are coming out smart and educated.

what if the kid on the left got "great teaching" and "individual support" in addition to his intellectual gifts?

LA is terrible in this respect. the state spends an insanely disproportionate amount on bad students and all but ignores the very elite within its system (outside of LSMSA). imagine what kid of output we could have if we invested a disproportionate amount of resources in our elite students. the resource shift will have negligible effects on eh lowest rung (b/c they're almost assured to fail regardless of how much we invest in them)
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:50 am to
I noticed this when reading and hearing Gravy Chambers. I couldn't help but notice that I've never heard someone use the term "equity" in sociopolitical discourse more in my entire life.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:55 am to
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what if the kid on the left got "great teaching" and "individual support" in addition to his intellectual gifts?


I'm not saying the concept is wrong. It would be best if all kids got the same benefits, regardless of their intellectual prowess. All kids get educated, and smart kids go into highly intellectual fields (like engineering, medicine, etc).

I guess the issue ends up being "what should we provide" and "what can we afford"? If we can afford to provide two boosts for only one group out of the three, and a single boost for another group, should we get all three to being beneficial contributors to society? Is the goal to educate so that we have people capable of getting employment that will prevent them from being on welfare?

Should we instead elevate the smartest?

An ideal educational system has all the benefits available to all levels, so that everyone is productive and the smartest take the jobs and careers at that level, and so forth.

Are citizens willing to pay for that?
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:06 am to
People won't admit it, but a lot of the problems that go on at schools are due to bad parenting.
It's true that some kids don't have parents at home that give a shite, but if that's the case then schools need to be given more power to control their environments. I get sick of parents complaining their child is being mistreated when then don't give a shite about the kid at home. The ones doing less are usually the ones who complain the most.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:06 am to
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An ideal educational system has all the benefits available to all levels, so that everyone is productive and the smartest take the jobs and careers at that level, and so forth.

Are citizens willing to pay for that?

you just described why LA is completely fricked moving forwar as a state. our population would not go for that

the balance has been tipped too far to one side
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:08 am to
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Is it human nature than people fail or succeed as groups?


Is DNA human nature?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19090 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:08 am to
Equality before the law has become equality in outcomes. It denies human nature.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
421314 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:08 am to
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It's true that some kids don't have parents at home that give a shite, but if that's the case then schools need to be given more power to control their environments. I get sick of parents complaining their child is being mistreated when then don't give a shite about the kid at home.

they don't see themselves as having any responsibility in the matter, sadly. they've been conditioned to expect the state to handle these matters. school is the arm of the state that handles daycare and "education", so school is 100% responsible for this

it's just the culture/mindset of the population
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57832 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:08 am to
Who would have thought things like this could happen once the government took control of schools?!
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48261 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:55 am to
Just wait until we get single payer and most of the physicians are affirmative action incompetents who can't be sued for malpractice.

Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:32 pm to
Stop giving me people all these crutches.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:36 pm to
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Liberalism like this will always fail long-term because it denies that which cannot be denied: human nature.


It's the nature of every living thing, not just humans, to take the path of least resistance and most reward. That's why bird feeders get swamped, why snakes eat chicken eggs, why humans can so easily domesticate other species and why wild animals will often eat out of your hand. It's natural to snap up a free meal or one for which not much effort is required.

That's why welfare is so appealing to so many people. If you don't have to work for a living, why should you? Just as many animal species trade their freedom, often their very lives, for the security of a well-fed life to adulthood, so do many humans give up the dignity of earned income for a handout in return for giving their political support.

Actually, they're currently, as SJWs, trying to reclaim that dignity by campaigning for "living wages (high pay for minimal work)," health care as a human "right," and even housing and transportation as rights for the "poor." As a result, we're living in the first age in history that has fat poor people. "Fat poor" used to be an oxymoron.

We're also living in the first period of American history where both major parties are actively farming votes with handouts as fertilizer. 74 million Americans are on Medicaid, another 60 million receive Medicare. 60% of Americans receive government benefits of some kind. 50% of children born in the U.S., including those born to illegal aliens, begin life on the federal WIC program and remain on it for their first 5 years.

I could go on and on about government "benefits" but you get the idea. The SJW war we can call "Life Owes Me a Living" is actually being won by tens of millions of Americans and illegals who are jumping on the path of least resistance called welfare.
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