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Obama wants to try Gitmo prisoners in U.S.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:17 am
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:17 am
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President Obama has not given up the idea of trying terrorist suspects now housed at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in United States courts.
While signing a bill designed to make it easier to transfer Gitmo detainees to other countries, Obama again protested congressional restrictions on bringing some prisoners to the United States.
"The executive branch must have the authority to determine when and where to prosecute Guantanamo detainees, based on the facts and circumstances of each case and our national security interests," Obama wrote in a signing statement attached Thursday to a new defense authorization bill.
Congressional Republicans, other lawmakers, and local officials have objected to the idea of terrorism trials in the United States, citing security concerns and possible threats from terrorist groups.
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Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:28 am to cajunangelle
What's Obama's agenda?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:31 am to cajunangelle
I have zero problem with this.
The fact of the matter is, most of those dudes have done little to warrant their indefinite detention.
The fact of the matter is, most of those dudes have done little to warrant their indefinite detention.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:31 am to cajunangelle
Good they deserve a fair trial.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:33 am to CherryGarciaMan
quote:
The fact of the matter is, most of those dudes have done little to warrant their indefinite detention.
Link? I would make the logical assumption that those that remain are probably a much greater threat relative to those that have already been released.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:33 am to cajunangelle
They've been held indefinitely with no trial for how long now? I don't give a shite how they're tried, just get it over with.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:40 am to cajunangelle
The GITMO prisoners for the most part were captured on the battle fields of Iraq and Afghanistan and have no business being tried in a civilian court by anyone or anywhere other than GITMO.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:41 am to CITWTT
So try them in military court if that's the proper reaction. Just try them and find whose guilty of what and who is innocent.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:42 am to cajunangelle
Either try them or kill them. Just get it over with.
Housing them indefinitely is a waste.
Housing them indefinitely is a waste.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:43 am to Rickety Cricket
Just have a trial by teleconference. Hell... even Skype. No reason to have a trial on U.S. soil.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:46 am to HubbaBubba
They should be tried in military court.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:49 am to CITWTT
quote:
The GITMO prisoners for the most part were captured on the battle fields of Iraq and Afghanistan and have no business being tried in a civilian court by anyone or anywhere other than GITMO.
Aren't there a few American citizens there as well though? Or am I mistaken?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:52 am to Enadious
quote:
try Gitmo prisoners in U.S.
quote:
What's Obama's agenda?
Bringing them to the US would take the focus off the massive failure of obamacare.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:18 am to Enadious
quote:
What's Obama's agenda?
He wants to end the "War" on terror by treating all of them like violent criminals with all US due process rights of a domestic criminal.
For some reason, the Left doesn't want to treat terrorists as unlawful combatants, they want to treat them like criminals.
It would be more easy to treat them like unlawful combatants and try them in some kind of military court, but, the left doesn't want this.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:18 am to cajunangelle
I look at them as POWs. Hold on to them until they quit with the jihad.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:19 am to Rickety Cricket
quote:
I don't give a shite how they're tried, just get it over with.
Putting them in civilian federal court would in now way "get it over with." It would take many years to try all of those suspects.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:40 am to Scruffy
We could try them like they were witches. Tie a rock to them and throw them in the ocean. If they float, we shoot them for being a terrorist. 
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:04 am to cajunangelle
During WWII German soldiers were held in prisons in the middle of the U.S. and not only were they treated well, but Americans who had husbands and sons who were fighting them would show kindness to the Germans in nearby POW camps.
Now the people of this country rather than demonstrating fidelity to the concept of rule of law and the Golden Rule, choose to treat people caputured in an undeclared (and therefore unconstitutional and so illegal) war in a way inconsistent not only with the treaties we have signed, but inconsistent with the way we demand other countries treat Americans captured when fighting on their soil and inconsistent with the basic human decency that at one time we stood for. The whole "illegal combatant" garbage is something made up from thin air during the Bush administration, and making legalistic sommersaults to justify this is the only refuge of those who know that they have no moral justification for their postion.
Not only is it a reflection of weakness, it is reflection of the utter gutless cowardice on the part of many who call themselves Americans which has been so clearly on display since 2001.
Added to this is the hypocracy of many on the right who like to scream about their love of the Constitution and the ideals upon which the country was founded, the hypocracy of many on the left who critized this policy when Bush instituted it but ignore it under Obama, and worst of all, the hypocracy of those who call themselves Christians while supporting the indefinite imprisonment and torture of people who have, at most, committed the "crime" of fighting an invading army. Again we treated German pow's who no-one disputed had killed American soldiers, much better.
They were never put in Guantanamo because they were some how "too dangerous" to be held in the U.S., it was conceived as way of allowing the president to act outside the law, and the very same people who are correctly outraged at Obama for acting outside the law, were the ones who were fine with Bush setting the stage.
Those afraid of bringing them here either for trial or proper imprisonment as pow's would have us beleive that they are some sort of uber criminals from Krypton who need to be cast into the phantom zone because they have superpowers and would kill us all -- Cowards.
Now the people of this country rather than demonstrating fidelity to the concept of rule of law and the Golden Rule, choose to treat people caputured in an undeclared (and therefore unconstitutional and so illegal) war in a way inconsistent not only with the treaties we have signed, but inconsistent with the way we demand other countries treat Americans captured when fighting on their soil and inconsistent with the basic human decency that at one time we stood for. The whole "illegal combatant" garbage is something made up from thin air during the Bush administration, and making legalistic sommersaults to justify this is the only refuge of those who know that they have no moral justification for their postion.
Not only is it a reflection of weakness, it is reflection of the utter gutless cowardice on the part of many who call themselves Americans which has been so clearly on display since 2001.
Added to this is the hypocracy of many on the right who like to scream about their love of the Constitution and the ideals upon which the country was founded, the hypocracy of many on the left who critized this policy when Bush instituted it but ignore it under Obama, and worst of all, the hypocracy of those who call themselves Christians while supporting the indefinite imprisonment and torture of people who have, at most, committed the "crime" of fighting an invading army. Again we treated German pow's who no-one disputed had killed American soldiers, much better.
They were never put in Guantanamo because they were some how "too dangerous" to be held in the U.S., it was conceived as way of allowing the president to act outside the law, and the very same people who are correctly outraged at Obama for acting outside the law, were the ones who were fine with Bush setting the stage.
Those afraid of bringing them here either for trial or proper imprisonment as pow's would have us beleive that they are some sort of uber criminals from Krypton who need to be cast into the phantom zone because they have superpowers and would kill us all -- Cowards.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:10 am to jerep
quote:
During WWII German soldiers were held in prisons in the middle of the U.S. and not only were they treated well, but Americans who had husbands and sons who were fighting them would show kindness to the Germans in nearby POW camps. Now the people of this country rather than demonstrating fidelity to the concept of rule of law and the Golden Rule, choose to treat people caputured in an undeclared (and therefore unconstitutional and so illegal) war in a way inconsistent not only with the treaties we have signed, but inconsistent with the way we demand other countries treat Americans captured when fighting on their soil and inconsistent with the basic human decency that at one time we stood for.
I think it may be as simple as discerning the difference between a conscripted soldier and a terrorist.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:16 am to cajunangelle
quote:
Obama wants to try Gitmo prisoners in U.S.
Sure he does.
quote:So, terrorist groups are going to be pissed because of trials but they're perfectly content with Gitmo?
Congressional Republicans, other lawmakers, and local officials have objected to the idea of terrorism trials in the United States, citing security concerns and possible threats from terrorist groups.
Even the propaganda has become laughable. Who's still buying this crap?
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