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LSUAirForce04
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He does make a good point regarding a Palestinian state, though I don't think Israel is in any way going to let that happen because they want complete control of that land and the Palestinian people.


Actually, Israel gave Yasir Arafat every demand he asked for back in 2000 and he walked away from the table. Ask Bill Clinton, he was there and agreed the Palestinians could have had their state 13 years ago!


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Actually, Israel gave Yasir Arafat every demand he asked for back in 2000 and he walked away from the table. Ask Bill Clinton, he was there and agreed the Palestinians could have had their state 13 years ago!

There are a lot of folks in the know, including former Secretaries of State, who disagree with Clinton's notion of that offer being so generous. It may be true that Ehud Barak offered Arafat as much as he could without ending up like Yitzhak Rabin, but if Arafat had accepted what was on the table, he would have ended up like Anwar Sadat.


LSUAirForce04
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Why did he not counter anything and just walk away from the table then? Why get so close and then offer nothing in return?


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Why did he not counter anything and just walk away from the table then? Why get so close and then offer nothing in return?


Because at the heart of the Islam religion they cannot compromise. He would have went against his own beliefs had he made a deal. He was just trying to make his people look like they wanted too.

This is clearly stated, so is having control of all land that they do not currently possess. That and the whole killing everybody who doesn't agree with them.
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joshnorris14
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Obama is an idiot.


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Antonio Moss
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US and Canada have disputes too but we resolve them diplomatically


That's probably because Canada didn't get Mexico, Cuba, and Guatemala to try and bomb the U.S into the Stone Age three times in the last 100 years.


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trackfan
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re: Obama Compares Israeli-Palestinian Conflict To U.S. And Canada
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He would have went against his own beliefs had he made a deal. He was just trying to make his people look like they wanted too.

This is clearly stated, so is having control of all land that they do not currently possess. That and the whole killing everybody who doesn't agree with them.

This sounds like a description of Netanyahu and Likud.


crawdaddy52
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Cajun obviously doesn't have much going on in her/his life. We get it - you think he is stupid and he uses a teleprompter. As someone said, I think the point was if they had an agreement, ideally they could deal with disagreements in the way Canada and US do. Quit lobbing missiles at each other. The key word is quit.


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JEAUXBLEAUX
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The only Israel Hamas will accept is a driven into the sea Israel. Never again quote Rabbi Kahane!


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can you imagine how mocked GWB would be if he said the same thing?



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trackfan
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The only Israel Hamas will accept is a driven into the sea Israel. Never again quote Rabbi Kahane!

Tell us what Palestine Likud will accept. Do you believe Bibi has given up on the dream of Greater Israel?


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deltaland
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Jesus I could have made a more intelligent sounding speech than that. He just rambled on about nothing

Plus comparing the U.S and Canada to 2 middle eastern countries arguments is absolutely retarded.


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WildTchoupitoulas
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We haven't exactly lobbed any missiles in their direction either.


We've invaded them 3 times - and failed each time.


dante
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You are right. What happened 200 years ago between and Canada and the US is very comparable to what is going on today with Israel and Palestine.


trackfan
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A better comparison would be Northern Ireland which explains why the PLO and the IRA was so close in their heyday. Closer to home, the Palestinians could be compared to Native Americans with the difference being that the Palestinians never had 98% of their population decimated, and therefore haven't given up the fight.


NC_Tigah
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Closer to home, the Palestinians could be compared to Native Americans with the difference being that the Palestinians never had 98% of their population decimated
Where in that analogy is the holocaust corollary?

Perhaps something in exodus of US Africans to Liberia and displacement of the existing cultures there, might more closely approximate what you're after?


trackfan
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Where in that analogy is the holocaust corollary?

The Nazis were indigenous to Germany, they weren't outsiders coming from somewhere else to repalce a group of people. The Holocaust is comparable to what happened in Rwanda.
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Perhaps something in exodus of US Africans to Liberia and displacement of the existing cultures there, might more closely approximate what you're after?

What are you talking about? I know about Liberia, but the freed slaves didn't go back to Africa to usurp, ethnically cleanse and subjugate Africans and today everyone in Liberia has the same rights whether or not they're the descendents of former slaves.


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Poodlebrain
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There are a lot of folks in the know, including former Secretaries of State, who disagree with Clinton's notion of that offer being so generous. It may be true that Ehud Barak offered Arafat as much as he could without ending up like Yitzhak Rabin, but if Arafat had accepted what was on the table, he would have ended up like Anwar Sadat.
Your statement shows tha the Palestinians are not interested in a negotiated peace. Their negotiations are not in good faith. They serve no purpose other than public relations since they refuse to consider that they will not get territorial staus quo ante.


trackfan
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Your statement shows tha the Palestinians are not interested in a negotiated peace. Their negotiations are not in good faith.

You're misreading my post if that's what you got out of it. The Palestinians proved that they could bargain in good faith when they signed the Oslo Peace Treaty when Rabin (Labor) was in office. The problem is that Bibi (Likud) has yet to prove that he can bargain in good faith. Have you read Likud's charter? Have you watched the youtube video of Bibi talking to that settler family after he thought the cameras had been turned off?
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They serve no purpose other than public relations since they refuse to consider that they will not get territorial staus quo ante.

WHat is "territorial staus quo ante"?


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catnip
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Who are the Palestinians firing rockets and killing the Israelis? The United States?


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