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re: Number of estimated abortions in the US and worldwide

Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:12 pm to
Posted by genro
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:12 pm to
Well it's certainly not a clinical abortion at Planned Parenthood. Because that's impossible

Not sure if you're stupid or just being pedantic
Posted by Reames239
Hammond
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:13 pm to
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A 3 day old embryo has around 150 cells... by comparison there are 100,000 in the brain of a fly...





And in a few short months that "mass" is thousands times bigger than a fly and has a heart beat.


Disgusting
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:14 pm to
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I was just following orders. 

I have no free will against my masters. 

Is that you? 

Now seriously, you willingly watched a murder and didn't leave. You are a psychopath most likely. 
Well you're a poopyhead.

This is a lot easier than arguing points
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 10:14 pm
Posted by Vegas Bengal
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:15 pm to
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What do you call the termination of a three day old human embryo?

Smart... If you don't want it to develop into a child.
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:15 pm to
Auburn's jumping tiger predated the Toonce by about 10 years.
Posted by rbWarEagle
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:17 pm to
Define your terms if you want to argue with them. What constitutes an abortion in your mind? Does it have to be a gruesome third trimester abortion to qualify as barbaric? What about taking a pill within the first month?
Posted by rbWarEagle
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:18 pm to
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And in a few short months that "mass" is thousands times bigger than a fly and has a heart beat.



So you think there is a significant difference between a fly and a sack of 150 cells due to potential?
Posted by Vegas Bengal
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:20 pm to
Was that put out as part of the 25th anniversary of Stonewall?



Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:22 pm to
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What constitutes an abortion in your mind?
The execution of a fetus

Fetal stage begins around 9 weeks


You'd think a morning after pill would render abortion obsolete. Honestly the widespread availability of contraceptives and education should render it obsolete except in extreme cases. But it happens anyways, as a form of birth control in spite of all that. How irresponsible and barbaric can one be?
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:24 pm to
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The execution of a fetus



Ahh, I see.

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You'd think a morning after pill would render abortion obsolete. Honestly the widespread availability of contraceptives and education should render it obsolete except in extreme cases. But it happens anyways, as a form of birth control in spite of all that. How irresponsible and barbaric can one be?



Well, I can't speak for the people who find themselves in the unfortunate situation that you describe above. Apparently, you see yourself fit to do just that. That's what I really take issue with.
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:27 pm to
... and I don't disagree that it's irresponsible. However, as I referred to earlier, I likely have different philosophical views than you (specifically on the nature of the human mind) and have a hard time assigning blame to people and getting angry at them.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:31 pm to
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Well, I can't speak for the people who find themselves in the unfortunate situation 


They chose to have sex. They almost certainly chose to eschew birth control. They chose to ignore adoption resources. They chose not to take a morning after pill. Now they are choosing to execute a fetus for convenience.

You don't just find yourself in that situation. You get there by a level of irresponsibility and narcissism that is down right evil.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 10:32 pm
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:33 pm to
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How irresponsible and barbaric can one be?



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You get there by a level of irresponsibility and narcissism that is down right evil.



I agree, and that is between them and their Maker. I am OK with abortion not being outlawed because I don't want someone as barbaric, narcissistic, irresponsible, and downright evil as you just described being forced to raise a child they don't really want.

This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 10:36 pm
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:35 pm to
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They chose


This is where we disagree. I don't believe in free will...

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You get there by a level of irresponsibility and narcissism that is down right evil.



.. and that's why I think that this is not only wrong, but not helpful in the least bit.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:36 pm to
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and downright evil being forced to raise a child they don't really want. 
They're not forced to.

I know a wonderful middle class black couple that's been waiting 20 years to adopt a black child. But poor unwanted black children aren't given up for adoption, they are either used for a welfare check or executed. That's the reality.
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:36 pm to
That is cold out.
Posted by Reames239
Hammond
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:40 pm to
Yeah I think a human life is a little more significant than a fly.

Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:42 pm to
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Yeah I think a human life is a little more significant than a fly.



"... almost every cell in your body is a potential human being, given our recent advances in genetic engineering. Every time you scratch your nose, you have committed a Holocaust of potential human beings.”

- Sam Harris
Posted by Reames239
Hammond
Member since Sep 2014
676 posts
Posted on 12/28/14 at 11:05 pm to
Regardless of how crazy that statement is, there is a big difference in killing a constant growing mass inside the uterus and scratching your nose.


Why be dishonest?
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 11:09 pm to
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Regardless of how crazy that statement is, there is a big difference in killing a constant growing mass inside the uterus and scratching your nose.



Is there? Or is that your opinion based on emotion?
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