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Nobody has a right to avoid labor competition (immigration)
Posted on 9/14/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 9/14/17 at 1:54 pm
If you are an unskilled laborer, or any worker for that matter, you don't have a right to a certain level of pay, just like a company doesn't have a right to a certain profit margin
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 1:55 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Who is saying otherwise?
Posted on 9/14/17 at 1:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
What does
Have to do with
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Nobody has a right to avoid labor competition (immigration)
Have to do with
quote:
If you are an unskilled laborer, or any worker for that matter, you don't have a right to a certain level of pay, just like a company doesn't have a right to a certain profit margin
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:07 pm to jamboybarry
Because many anti-immigration folks say immigration is bad because it lowers pay
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
If you are an unskilled laborer, or any worker for that matter, you don't have a right to a certain level of pay, just like a company doesn't have a right to a certain profit margin
Honestly, the labor angle is the least relevant reason for having a decent immigration policy.
The fact that we live in an attractive nation of 360M people and there are 7B people on the planet is the reason.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Because many anti-immigration folks say immigration is bad because it lowers pay
Well it does. But you're comparing an illegal act with market forces. It's apples and oranges.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:10 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Because many anti-immigration folks say immigration is bad because it lowers pay
I know you fancy yourself the board contrarian on occasion, but this is a pretty weak effort on your part.
I think you need to flesh this one out a bit better and return.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:10 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
If you are an unskilled laborer, or any worker for that matter, you don't have a right to a certain level of pay, just like a company doesn't have a right to a certain profit margin
No one is saying that.
But your government, which is supposed to protect its sovereignty (and, by extension, that of the persons who constitute the government ["We the People"]), should not be pursuing immigration policies that will decimate your ability to earn a living.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:10 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Who re-cucked Hail, I was getting kind of amused at the cartoonish level of umbrage taken at Indian programmers
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:11 pm to udtiger
It benefits me tremendously when wages of food workers, servants, etc falls
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The problem is that the playing field is unlevel due to statutory minimum wages. Citizens cannot choose to work for less, but immigrants can. Businesses are not allowed to pay less, but they do and face no consequences.
As long as we insist on having a minimum wage, we cannot tolerate allowing wholesale employment of illegal immigrant labor beneath that wage. We must either enforce these wage restrictions or do away with them entirely.
As long as we insist on having a minimum wage, we cannot tolerate allowing wholesale employment of illegal immigrant labor beneath that wage. We must either enforce these wage restrictions or do away with them entirely.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Breaking the law is not "the market."
And I personally don't give a frick about the impact on wages. I am for strict immigration reform for many other reasons.
And I personally don't give a frick about the impact on wages. I am for strict immigration reform for many other reasons.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:18 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal aliens?
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:21 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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It benefits me tremendously when wages of food workers, servants, etc falls
Now you're talking, lol. How long would it take to fix/enforce immigration policy if it was CEO's, CFO's, lawyers, liberal professors, politicians, etc. crossing the border? Answer, decades ago.
The only people who are not concerned about illegal/mass immigration are the people who believe their jobs are not at risk.
Ask the IT folks who've lost their jobs the past 10-15 years to foreign workers, those people thought they were hawt shite in the 90's, irreplaceable. Lol!
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:26 pm to Bass Tiger
IT makes great money now. Relatively speaking
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Not in Louisiana it doesn't. IT salaries vary greatly by region.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Minimum wage laws be damned?
you don't have a right to a certain level of pay
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:04 pm to NC_Tigah
Most illegal workers aren't getting paid below the minimum wage, it's kind of a non factor. Hell in CA you can file a DoL complaint and they can't ask about your status.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:06 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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If you are an unskilled laborer, or any worker for that matter, you don't have a right to a certain level of pay, just like a company doesn't have a right to a certain profit margin
They're not in this labor market legally and have unfair advantages over US citizen workers. Clown post, bro.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:09 pm to Iosh
quote:Maybe so. But in many cases we really have no idea what illegals are paid, as the transactions are passed through coyote-like intermediaries.
Most illegal workers aren't getting paid below the minimum wage
If this were a discussion involving migrants with work visas, it would be more clear cut.
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