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My position evolved
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:12 pm
Let me start with the caveat that I believe that almost all politicians would say or do most anything to gain or retain power. And I understand that they would willingly change positions on any issue if it meant garnering more votes.
With that said, why do we find the idea of evolving on a position so laughable or something to be derided?
Certainly, my positions on topics have changed over the years as I either learned new things or unlearned others. Aren't politicians humans and allowed the same leeway? Is it not possible that given new information they evolve their positions on issues and frankly, should?
With that said, why do we find the idea of evolving on a position so laughable or something to be derided?
Certainly, my positions on topics have changed over the years as I either learned new things or unlearned others. Aren't politicians humans and allowed the same leeway? Is it not possible that given new information they evolve their positions on issues and frankly, should?
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Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:14 pm to Revelator
Well not if they don't keep the promises that got them elected.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:24 pm to Bunyan
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Well not if they don't keep the promises that got them elected.
It's possible that a politician doesn't understand the scope or magnitude of an issue until it's fully revealed to him. And then, he could possibly be forced to reacess that position based on new facts.
To me, the person who refuses to change his position in the face of irrefutable facts is more dangerous than the person who does when presented with the same facts.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:25 pm to Revelator
good point
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:28 pm to Revelator
My main problem with politicians is they don't work for the people who elected him. They work for their party and the system is set up where they don't have much trouble keeping their positions with gerrymandered areas.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:31 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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My main problem with politicians is they don't work for the people who elected him. They work for their party and the system is set up where they don't have much trouble keeping their positions with gerrymandered areas.
Sometimes the problem is that the politician is so preoccupied with the concerns of his constituents ( getting reeelected) that he simply votes along that line instead of what is best for the entire country.
This post was edited on 7/22/17 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:32 pm to Revelator
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why do we find the idea of evolving on a position so laughable or something to be derided?
Evolving is understandable and at times even admirable. But 4 different positions within the span of 10 days 2 weeks is not evolving.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:33 pm to a want
That's what congress does though. It's ridiculous.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:33 pm to a want
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Evolving is understandable and at times even admirable. But 4 different positions within the span of 10 days 2 weeks is not evolving
I didn't have any one candidate in mind when I posted this thread, and most assuredly wasn't thinking of Trump.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:38 pm to Revelator
Space between paragraphs would be nice.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:39 pm to rebeloke
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Space between paragraphs would be nice.
Really? This is your contribution to the thread? Thanks.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:48 pm to Revelator
They can evolve. We usually just don't believe the no good pandering bastards
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:51 pm to GregMaddux
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They can evolve. We usually just don't believe the no good pandering bastards
I guess what got me thinking about this subject is guys like Rand Paul. I like the guy and love most of his positions, but what is gained by being so unmoving that you never get anything done but principled obstruction?
Posted on 7/22/17 at 4:52 pm to Revelator
“The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.”
Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein
This post was edited on 7/22/17 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 7/22/17 at 5:07 pm to Revelator
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I guess what got me thinking about this subject is guys like Rand Paul. I like the guy and love most of his positions, but what is gained by being so unmoving that you never get anything done but principled obstruction?
Are you fricking kidding? That's the worst example for your situation you could possibly give! He is the only one doing what everybody about for 7 fricking years! Nobody else has new information expect what being true to their word might do to their poll numbers! frick any republican who doesn't vote for straight repeal. And if you think the Federal govt should anything to do with the healthcare market in this country you're no better than the liberals who passed Obamacare 7 years ago. Even Ted fricking Cruz's plan kept millions of deadbeats on medicaid so they could still by their rims and gold teeth and have us pay for their 8 illegitimate kids!
Posted on 7/22/17 at 5:09 pm to Revelator
Shifting his views simply to stay in calibration with the changing political spectrum is not something I would consider evolving. That's compromising.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 5:21 pm to Andychapman13
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Are you fricking kidding?
No, I'm not kidding and I only picked him but there are others.
Let's say you were a sports star and you had an agent. The agent said he wouldn't take anything less than a 50 million dollar contract because thats what you are worth. Some teams offers you 45 million, one even offers you 49, but your agent refuses to budge on principle. Ultimately, you are forced to sit out the entire season because your agent refuses to move from his original position. What is gained from this type of principled opposition?
This post was edited on 7/22/17 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 7/22/17 at 5:34 pm to Revelator
Figure out a way to get a Congressman or Senator a few hundred thousand dollars and they will "evolve"however you want.
I remember when Bill Clinton and Al Gore were both "pro life". How's that for evolving?
ever hear Hillary Clinton speak about illegals circa 2004?
That is some serious evolution too.
I remember when Bill Clinton and Al Gore were both "pro life". How's that for evolving?
ever hear Hillary Clinton speak about illegals circa 2004?
That is some serious evolution too.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 5:36 pm to Revelator
i will repeal obamacare on the first day of my presidency?
who knew healthcare could be so hard?
literally everyone on earth but trump?
like those evolving positions?
who knew healthcare could be so hard?
literally everyone on earth but trump?
like those evolving positions?
Posted on 7/22/17 at 5:42 pm to Revelator
Aren't they there to represent the wishes of their constituents? Who gives a damn what they think personally.
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