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Mnuchin: The upcoming Trump tax will propose decreasing Corporate Tax to 15%

Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:39 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:39 am


Just confirmed by Mnuchin on CNBC.
Says it will be the largest overall proposed tax cut in history.

Won't go into further specifics in advance of rollout later today.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:39 am to
They didn't build that
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:41 am to
NPR - this morning - said that it will save Trump $10 million.

Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:42 am to
Border adjustment tax is not a part of Trump's plan.

Rich will be disallowed from using "pass thru".
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:43 am to
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:44 am to
quote:

Just confirmed by Mnuchin on CNBC. Says it will be the largest overall proposed tax cut in history.


It's good in theory, but the increase in new or expanded businesses because of this tax cut won't create enough new tax revenue to offset the loss taxes, meaning that either we will have to increase the debt or make cuts to make up for the losses.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 9:20 am
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:46 am to
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:47 am to
quote:

the loss taxes


Posted by notsince98
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:51 am to
quote:

It's good in theory, but the increase in new or expanded businesses because of this tax cut won't create enough new tax revenue to offset the loss taxes, meaning that either we will have to increase the depth or make cuts to make up for the losses.


You can't see the forest for the trees. This doesn't need to create or expand business to increase tax base/revenue. All that needs to happen is for companies to decide it now makes more sense for them to keep their money stashes in the USA instead of abroad and that alone would increase tax revenue, even with a 15% straight tax rate.
Posted by jmarto1
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:53 am to
fricking NPR. Trump isnt worried about 10 million. If he is a crook like they say he will make much more
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:55 am to
15%?

Now we might have a chance to compete with China's 15% corporate tax rate.

But the a-hole Democrats will demonize the plan as a tax break for the rich.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:56 am to
Let's try spending less money and see what happens.
Posted by germandawg
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:56 am to
That will be 2-3% increase in the effective corporate tax rate if what they claim about cutting out loopholes etc is true.


I don't know why we don't simply eliminate corporate taxes altogether. Corporations do not pay them consumers do....it is merely a tool that corporations use to claim they are being beat over the head with....when in reality they pass whatever their taxes are onto consumers or they lose money and go out of business. No matter how much anyone would like to pretend otherwise production costs can't exceed revenues for long....as complicated as we like to pretend commerce is it really is as simple as buying low and selling high...

I think raising the effective corporate tax rate to 15% from its current 12-13% is a bad idea but I am pretty certain that most of you are convinced that the statutory rate is what corporations pay and it would be a 20+% cut. Ignorance is truly a bliss....
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:00 am to
What "loopholes", specifically are you referring to?
Posted by cahoots
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:01 am to
quote:

You can't see the forest for the trees. This doesn't need to create or expand business to increase tax base/revenue. All that needs to happen is for companies to decide it now makes more sense for them to keep their money stashes in the USA instead of abroad and that alone would increase tax revenue, even with a 15% straight tax rate.


Do the math. Let's say net taxable income is $1 trillion right now. At a 35% rate, that's $350 billion in tax revenue. Now let's say you lower the rate to 15%, and net taxable income rises substantially to $1.5 trillion. At a 15% tax rate, you're down to $225 billion in tax revenue. Basically, even with business expanding to impossibly high levels, you are going to collect fewer tax dollars with a huge tax cut.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 8:13 am
Posted by notsince98
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:01 am to
small companies w/out the support of cronies are paying way more than 15%. It has to be done as a move to end the cronyism.

cutting the tax all together isn't a possible first step. It has to be gradual steps to get to that point but ending all federal taxes should be the end goal.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:02 am to
quote:

Let's try spending less money and see what happens.



Did you see the uniparty's reaction to Trump proposed budget? They don't like it. Too much of a reduction in spending.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:05 am to
quote:

the increase in new or expanded businesses because of this tax cut won't create enough new tax revenue
So hypothetically, a publicly traded company with pretax earnings of $1B/yr currently pays $390,000,000.00 of that $1B in tax. Under Trump's proposal, the payment would be reduced by $240M.

Where does that $240,000,000.00 go?
What are the tax ramifications?

The company's P/E would increase dramatically.
An increased P/E drives stock prices.
What are the tax ramifications?

There is an estimated $1T in US corporate cash locked overseas.
What are the tax ramifications of repatriation?

15% Corporate tax in the US system will be attractive to foreign business and for US business growth.
What are the tax ramifications?


This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 8:10 am
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:07 am to
The immediate reaction by DC uniparty politicians to these type of tax cuts is, "how can we remain revenue neutral?" In other words, they want the tax cuts but also want current (with COLA) spending. The uniparty never considers reducing spending. NEVER.

That's why Protectionist Paul is proposing a 20% border tax on all imports.
Posted by ChopBlockOclock
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:09 am to
As a CPA I can now see why you got your turf management degree from UGA to comment on corporate taxes. Congrats! So knowledgable.
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