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re: Milo's Book Has Been Canceled
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:45 am to the808bass
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:45 am to the808bass
quote:I've asked for those quotes about a half dozen times here. Am I overlooking them?
I'm not sure you know what you're defending.
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:47 am to AUbused
quote:How the hell did that get 2 DV's?quote:Absolutely not and I don't have a problem making it illegal for the protection of the vast majority of 13 year olds that are nowhere NEAR able to make that decision responsibly.
would you let your 13-year-old daughter consent to sex with a 29-year-old man because she is smart and mature?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:49 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Yiannopoulos: This arbitrary — I’m just gonna — I’ll be quick. This arbitary and oppressive idea of consent which totally destroys, you know, the understanding that many of us have of the complexities and subtleties and complicated nature of many relationships. You know, people are messy and complex, and actually, in the homosexual world particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, those kind of coming-of-age relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable — a sort of a rock for when they can’t talk to their parents. Some of those relationships are some of the most —
quote:
Yeah, I don’t mind saying, I don’t mind admitting that, and I think particularly in the gay world – and outside, the Catholic Church, if that’s where some of you want to go with this – I think in the gay world, some of the most important, enriching and incredibly, you know, life-affirming, important, shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men, they can be hugely positive experiences for those young boys, they can even save those young boys from desolation, from suicide, from drug addiction, all those things, provided they’re consensual. Provided they’re consensual.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:53 am to LSUTANGERINE
quote:Consent in terms you are using is legal.
do you think a 13 year old boy should be able to consent to being fricked by a full grown man?
The simple and correct answer is because Milo said so
I've seen nowhere that Milo made anything approaching that statement. 'The808bass' says I'm wrong. Is there a quote out there where Milo says 13y/o's should be able to give legal consent?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:57 am to the808bass
Is that what this whole issue is about?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:58 am to the808bass
quote:
the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable — a sort of a rock for when they can’t talk to their parents. Some of those relationships are some of the most —
quote:The question is, is the reference here to sex. If it is, it crosses the line.
I think in the gay world, some of the most important, enriching and incredibly, you know, life-affirming, important, shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men, they can be hugely positive experiences for those young boys, they can even save those young boys from desolation, from suicide, from drug addiction, all those things, provided they’re consensual. Provided they’re consensual.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:00 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Consent in terms you are using is legal.
When you're in a hole, stop digging.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:01 am to the808bass
There's a movie with Philip Seymour Hoffman as a priest and Meryl Streep (oddly enough) as a nun that kinda sorta touched on that line of thinking.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:02 am to NC_Tigah
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The question is, is the reference here to sex. If it is, it crosses the line.
Im not sure if he ever clearly states that it is in the concrete terms you are looking for, but this is in the context of him talking about his past sexual experiences and he goes on to joke about one of the benefits being "learning how to give good head".
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:08 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
The question is, is the reference here to sex. If it is, it crosses the line.
As it is a discussion on the age of consent, I would think that is pretty clear.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:54 am to AUbused
quote:I'm not looking for anything. In an environment clearly hostile to Milo, I'm just trying to understand what was actually meant. If what was meant was NAMBLA is good, then I've got huge problems with him. That may be exactly where he was going. It simply isn't clear, at least not to me. The PC will assumedly clear up his position.
terms you are looking for
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:58 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Of course it's about sex. He kept talking about consent and saying it's only okay "provided it's consensual"
The question is, is the reference here to sex. If it is, it crosses the line.
It's never consensual if it's a 13 year old having sex with an adult. That's statutory rape.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 8:59 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:01 am to AUbused
quote:
Are you saying he's wrong? Or are you just being a bitch?
Neither, I am pointing out the Hypocrisy of his position.
Telling and promoting youth to have sex with each other and then acting like the youth can't make those decisions when an adult is involved(while only really CARING because said adult's politics is different than your's) is the height of hypocrisy.
Mind you that is it also your side that doesn't want parents to be able to know what their children are doing because you prevent it by law.
Of course it is the standard fair of you leftists.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:04 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:
Of course it's about sex. He kept talking about consent and saying it's only okay "provided it's consensual" It's never consensual if it's a 13 year old having sex with an adult. That's statutory rape.
But the left thinks it is OK for 13 year olds to have sex with each other and promote it by preventing doctors from informing parents about it.
I believe both positions are wrong.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:37 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:Mutual consent could relate to simple conversation with a person.
Of course it's about sex. He kept talking about consent and saying it's only okay "provided it's consensual"
Adult hears teen is depressed, and asks the teen if he wants to talk. Teen consents if/when he says yes. Alternatively, the conversation is nonconsensual if the teen says no, but the adult creeps on him anyway.
I'd have had less than zero interest in a gay dude "helping me with my identity" as a teen. No need. I was very comfortable with my identity. Had someone attempted to foist that dialogue on me, it would have been unwanted and nonconsensual.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:42 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:Again, you're mixing metaphors. OF COURSE LEGAL CONSENT CANNOT BE PROVIDED BY A 13y/o.
It's never consensual if it's a 13 year old having sex with an adult
On the other hand, can two 13y/o's having sex ever be consensual?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:35 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Consent in terms you are using is legal. I've seen nowhere that Milo made anything approaching that statement. 'The808bass' says I'm wrong. Is there a quote out there where Milo says 13y/o's should be able to give legal consent?
I am not talking about legal consent. Again do you think a 13-year-old boy should be able to agree to sex with an older man or a priest because he is intelligent and mature? Sure he can agree. But that does not make it right from his point of view or for the older man or priest. How about your 13-year-old daughter agreeing to sex with a 29-year-old man because she is smart and sexually mature? He said some are capable of giving consent (again, not legal consent) He said older men having relationships with young homosexuals may have even prevented suicide. The quotes are in his interview which is all over this board.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 10:40 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:07 am to LSUTANGERINE
For everyone asking about where Milo said that some young teens are capable of giving consent, meaning informed agreement, here it is.
It is specifically at About 12:00. And he's not talking about someone who is 16 or 17. He had made a comment earlier about him being 13 and being capable of giving consent as well. He also argues that simply being sexually active at a younger age makes one able to give consent. He is quite distorted . It is this interview near the end where he says that some of those relationships prevent suicide.
LINK
It is specifically at About 12:00. And he's not talking about someone who is 16 or 17. He had made a comment earlier about him being 13 and being capable of giving consent as well. He also argues that simply being sexually active at a younger age makes one able to give consent. He is quite distorted . It is this interview near the end where he says that some of those relationships prevent suicide.
LINK
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:39 am to NC_Tigah
quote:GTFO, dude. The guy is a queer provocateur. He wasn't talking about consenting to a damn conversation.
Mutual consent could relate to simple conversation with a person.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:43 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
OF COURSE LEGAL CONSENT CANNOT BE PROVIDED BY A 13y/o.
Your buddy Milo disagrees.
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