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Middle Class flight/EBR
Posted on 12/12/16 at 9:52 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 9:52 am
EBR Parish
YEAR Popul./% Increase
1970 285,167 24.0%
1980 366,191 28.4%
1990 380,105 3.8%
2000 412,852 8.6%
2010 440,171 6.6%
Est. 2015 446,753 [6] 1.5%
Ascension Parish
1970 37,086 32.8%
1980 50,068 35.0%
1990 58,214 16.3%
2000 76,627 31.6%
2010 107,215 39.9%
Est. 2015 119,455 [9] 11.4%
Livingston Parish
1970 36,511 35.4%
1980 58,806 61.1%
1990 70,526 19.9%
2000 91,814 30.2%
2010 128,026 39.4%
Est. 2015 137,788 [7] 7.6%
Since 2000 both Livingston and Ascension Parishes each have added more population than EBR has.
2000-2015
EBR added 33,901
Livingston added 45,974
Ascension added 42,818
Population of cities/towns inside EBR Parish
Baton Rouge
1970 165,921 8.9%
1980 220,394 32.8%
1990 219,531 -0.4%
2000 227,818 3.8%
2010 229,493 0.7%
Est. 2015 228,590 [34] -0.4%
Baker
1970 8,281 71.7%
1980 12,865 55.4%
1990 13,233 2.9%
2000 13,793 4.2%
2010 13,895 0.7%
Est. 2015 13,695 [4] -1.4%
Zachary
1970 4,964 51.9%
1980 7,297 47.0%
1990 9,036 23.8%
2000 11,275 24.8%
2010 14,960 32.7%
Est. 2015 16,448 [8] 9.9%
Central (Recently formed)
2010 26,864 —
Est. 2015 28,295 [4] 5.3%
The city of Baton Rouge has hardly grown at all in the last 15 years (plus 772).
Baker which has school issues lost population.(minus 98).
Zachary and Central which both have A rated school districts each grew. Zachary (plus 5,173) and Central which wasn't around in 2000 (grew 1,431).
It's obvious where the population is moving, to areas with better schools and less crime. It's not because they have better parks, libraries, roads, or they are closer to work.
JMHO, but if EBR would ever fix the education problem and get a handle on the gangs and the crime; it would help solve our traffic issues, energize our businesses, and launch EBR forward instead of where we are now.
I hope Mayor Broome can help do these things. I know Kip Holden gets a lot of credit for being a good mayor; however, the population growth during his 16 years has not been good while our neighbors have boomed. Kip and the park and library system have spent a lot of money and they each have built up the infrastructure; now is the time to grow the parish. Broome is coming in at a god time.
Let's see what she can do.
YEAR Popul./% Increase
1970 285,167 24.0%
1980 366,191 28.4%
1990 380,105 3.8%
2000 412,852 8.6%
2010 440,171 6.6%
Est. 2015 446,753 [6] 1.5%
Ascension Parish
1970 37,086 32.8%
1980 50,068 35.0%
1990 58,214 16.3%
2000 76,627 31.6%
2010 107,215 39.9%
Est. 2015 119,455 [9] 11.4%
Livingston Parish
1970 36,511 35.4%
1980 58,806 61.1%
1990 70,526 19.9%
2000 91,814 30.2%
2010 128,026 39.4%
Est. 2015 137,788 [7] 7.6%
Since 2000 both Livingston and Ascension Parishes each have added more population than EBR has.
2000-2015
EBR added 33,901
Livingston added 45,974
Ascension added 42,818
Population of cities/towns inside EBR Parish
Baton Rouge
1970 165,921 8.9%
1980 220,394 32.8%
1990 219,531 -0.4%
2000 227,818 3.8%
2010 229,493 0.7%
Est. 2015 228,590 [34] -0.4%
Baker
1970 8,281 71.7%
1980 12,865 55.4%
1990 13,233 2.9%
2000 13,793 4.2%
2010 13,895 0.7%
Est. 2015 13,695 [4] -1.4%
Zachary
1970 4,964 51.9%
1980 7,297 47.0%
1990 9,036 23.8%
2000 11,275 24.8%
2010 14,960 32.7%
Est. 2015 16,448 [8] 9.9%
Central (Recently formed)
2010 26,864 —
Est. 2015 28,295 [4] 5.3%
The city of Baton Rouge has hardly grown at all in the last 15 years (plus 772).
Baker which has school issues lost population.(minus 98).
Zachary and Central which both have A rated school districts each grew. Zachary (plus 5,173) and Central which wasn't around in 2000 (grew 1,431).
It's obvious where the population is moving, to areas with better schools and less crime. It's not because they have better parks, libraries, roads, or they are closer to work.
JMHO, but if EBR would ever fix the education problem and get a handle on the gangs and the crime; it would help solve our traffic issues, energize our businesses, and launch EBR forward instead of where we are now.
I hope Mayor Broome can help do these things. I know Kip Holden gets a lot of credit for being a good mayor; however, the population growth during his 16 years has not been good while our neighbors have boomed. Kip and the park and library system have spent a lot of money and they each have built up the infrastructure; now is the time to grow the parish. Broome is coming in at a god time.
Let's see what she can do.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 10:23 am
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Posted on 12/12/16 at 9:55 am to doubleb
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It's not because they have better parks, libraries, roads
These usually go along with better schools, etc...just nicer things in general.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 9:58 am to Eli Goldfinger
it's all about schools man...
everyone can't afford private schools. And the public schools are deplorable.
It's that simple. I don't have kids but if i did it would be private schools or LP or AP.
everyone can't afford private schools. And the public schools are deplorable.
It's that simple. I don't have kids but if i did it would be private schools or LP or AP.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 9:58 am to doubleb
better schools and the ability to get more house for less money helps too
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:02 am to doubleb
I really hate the term "white flight"... So you're racist if you want a better life for you and your family...?
It's a bs term made up by liberals and the liberal media..
It's a bs term made up by liberals and the liberal media..
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 10:05 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:07 am to doubleb
White Flight is a false narrative. It is middle class flight. Anyone that can afford to leave failing schools, crime, and gang violence does- Black, White, Brown, Yellow....it doesn't matter.
Whats left are only those who couldn't escape and the folks responsible for the failing schools and crime. You can't have good communities without good schools; and you can't have good schools without good students; and you can't have good students without good families. And all the good families hauled arse when they could.
Whats left are only those who couldn't escape and the folks responsible for the failing schools and crime. You can't have good communities without good schools; and you can't have good schools without good students; and you can't have good students without good families. And all the good families hauled arse when they could.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:10 am to doubleb
The libraries in AP are decent (though not nearly as good as EBR). The parks and roads in AP are absolutely despicable.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:11 am to WorkinDawg
quote:
White Flight is a false narrative. It is middle class flight. Anyone that can afford to leave failing schools, crime, and gang violence does- Black, White, Brown, Yellow....it doesn't matter.
I can accept that. It's good people wanting the best for their families and who are able to pick up and move.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:13 am to tke857
Property values in Prarieville are hogher than most of EBR.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:23 am to kingbob
quote:
Property values in Prarieville are hogher than most of EBR.
And property values in Bocage are higher than Prairieville.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:53 am to doubleb
The thing is the Central area and LP, at least in my mind, are no-go zones after the flood. Also, none of the outlying cities and parishes around BR have anything remotely appealing about them in comparison to BR. The lack of planned development, ancient roads, traffic, a hodge-podge of sub-par retail establishments, cookie-cutter architecture and an utter lack of parks make BR look like it's going through an urban renaissance (which it kind of is actually).
I mean shite on Jackson, MS all you want, but the outlying areas like Flowood, Pearl, and Madison are ten times nicer than any of our suburbs. They actually plan and incorporate sidewalks and connectivity into their developments. They build actual landscaped boulevards with enclosed drainage. They have high-end malls with bike and pedestrian infrastructure. Central was the only hope for an area like this, but no way in hell I move there after this flooding. There really isn't an option in my mind. It's BR or GTFO to another state.
I think Broome is ultimately pretty status quo and BR will continue to slowly improve the school situation under Drake. I truly do not envy his position...Hopefully we can add another high performing Magnet/STEM elementary because I think that is key for getting people to stay and or move back to EBR parish.
I mean shite on Jackson, MS all you want, but the outlying areas like Flowood, Pearl, and Madison are ten times nicer than any of our suburbs. They actually plan and incorporate sidewalks and connectivity into their developments. They build actual landscaped boulevards with enclosed drainage. They have high-end malls with bike and pedestrian infrastructure. Central was the only hope for an area like this, but no way in hell I move there after this flooding. There really isn't an option in my mind. It's BR or GTFO to another state.
I think Broome is ultimately pretty status quo and BR will continue to slowly improve the school situation under Drake. I truly do not envy his position...Hopefully we can add another high performing Magnet/STEM elementary because I think that is key for getting people to stay and or move back to EBR parish.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:07 am to doubleb
quote:
Property values in Prarieville are hogher than most of EBR.
And property values in Bocage are higher than Prairieville.
And as property values in large parts of EBR stagnate and/or decline, values in guarded enclaves like Bocage will continue to increase. But not so much good news for the middle class who couldn't afford Bocage in the first place.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:12 am to longtooth
quote:
The thing is the Central area and LP, at least in my mind, are no-go zones after the flood.
The devastating flood has created new dynamics, and change will occur because of it.
quote:
Also, none of the outlying cities and parishes around BR have anything remotely appealing about them in comparison to BR. The lack of planned development, ancient roads, traffic, a hodge-podge of sub-par retail establishments, cookie-cutter architecture and an utter lack of parks make BR look like it's going through an urban renaissance (which it kind of is actually).
But they have better schools and despite the problems with country roads, parks and libraries people were moving there in large numbers.
EBR looks better only ]if you can afford private schools or you want and can get your child into a magnet school.
quote:
I mean shite on Jackson, MS all you want, but the outlying areas like Flowood, Pearl, and Madison are ten times nicer than any of our suburbs. They actually plan and incorporate sidewalks and connectivity into their developments. They build actual landscaped boulevards with enclosed drainage. They have high-end malls with bike and pedestrian infrastructure.[/quote
And why is that? Schools? Different form of govt? [quote]
I think Broome is ultimately pretty status quo
I do too.
quote:
BR will continue to slowly improve the school situation under Drake.
Uh under Drake's watch its gotten worse. did you see the last round of test scores?
quote:
Hopefully we can add another high performing Magnet/STEM elementary because I think that is key for getting people to stay and or move back to EBR parish.
What do we do for families that have good kids, who are average students? Are they to go to private schools are relegated to the poor public schools? Or do we just run those families out of the parish?
And why should gifted students get better schools than regular students? Aren't we all better together? It seems like people say we are until its time to go to school then they separate the kids.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:22 am to hawkster
quote:
And as property values in large parts of EBR stagnate and/or decline, values in guarded enclaves like Bocage will continue to increase. But not so much good news for the middle class who couldn't afford Bocage in the first place.
Stagnation? Decline? Hell, the last 10 years has seen a complete turn around for most of the downtown and mid-city areas...Tara, Westminster, Old Goodwood...Now creeping into Broadmoor and some other areas thought to be on a downward spiral.
The more people move back, the more pressure is placed on the metro council and school board officials to fix infrastructure and improve the public schools. It's not a mystery that If people flee then the fight becomes harder. But, I would say that many areas have vastly improved within the last decade.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:35 am to doubleb
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But they have better schools and despite the problems with country roads, parks and libraries people were moving there in large numbers.
EBR looks better only ]if you can afford private schools or you want and can get your child into a magnet school.
It's a lifestyle choice. BR schools are an issue for sure, but for some people moving to one of these outlying areas isn't an option either. I did the math on the cost of commuting from AP once and it ended up being roughly the cost to send one child to private school. Not to mention the time spent AWAY from family sitting in traffic. So unless you can find gainful employment out there, it's close to a draw expense wise.
quote:
Uh under Drake's watch its gotten worse. did you see the last round of test scores?
You got me there.
quote:
What do we do for families that have good kids, who are average students? Are they to go to private schools are relegated to the poor public schools? Or do we just run those families out of the parish?
And why should gifted students get better schools than regular students? Aren't we all better together? It seems like people say we are until its time to go to school then they separate the kids.
Most magnet schools aren't that difficult to get into. And consider that OUR magnet schools are the equivalent to regular, functional schools in almost any other state. The issue is lack of seats/space available. Westdale Heights only has 8-10 openings each year per grade but ten times that wanting to get in...And expanding magnet/STEM could be the best opportunity for a path to better schools to get a foothold. You aren't going to improve the regular schools with the low quality parents and students we have, you've got to improve the parents and students first.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 11:48 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:37 am to doubleb
Solution to keeping the tax base in EBR long term is an ISD. Give them what they want without strings.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:41 am to doubleb
Lemme axe you a question, doub. Does the Baton Rouge area have a movement toward X-burbs? That is, houses on larger lots outside of any city limits but close to a main road leading to work.
This is very popular up here in North La.
This is very popular up here in North La.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 11:42 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:35 pm to Zach
The movement seems to be mostly out of EBR. Some build on acreage but there are a lot of subdivisions being developed and occupied.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:40 pm to longtooth
We know it is a lifestyle choice and it's obvious that more people are choosing to leave than to stay and it's not even close.
And if in filling is so big, why is the population of BR proper stagnant?
And if in filling is so big, why is the population of BR proper stagnant?
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:43 pm to doubleb
quote:
YEAR Popul./% Increase
1970 285,167 24.0%
1980 366,191 28.4%
1990 380,105 3.8%
2000 412,852 8.6%
2010 440,171 6.6%
Est. 2015 446,753 [6] 1.5%
That's actually pretty solid growth. Imagine how much EBR would grow if it had adequate infrastructure and a decent ISD in the southern part of the parish.
Baton Rouge was a boom town in the 1970s. Wow.
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