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Medicaid should not pay for opioid prescriptions---

Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:52 am
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:52 am
The evidence is there that the medicaid expansion has contributed significantly to the supply of opioids like oxycontin available in the marketplace.

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Overdose deaths aren’t the only measure of opioid abuse. Another is hospital and emergency-room admissions. According to the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, the number of opioid-related inpatient hospital stays nationwide (among states submitting data) that were paid for by Medicaid increased by about 40% between the fourth quarters of 2012 and 2014—about four times the rate of growth in Medicaid enrollment. Patient stays covered by private insurance increased 4% during this period.




If we are going to have the government this involved in medicine it is time to end the government financing of opioid use.

Did Medicaid Spur Opioid Abuse

Proponents of medicaid point out that medicaid really didn't add to the problem and has drub abuse treatment programs as one of it's benefits. It is absurd to think that vastly increasing the amount of opioid supply does not contribute to more abuse.

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Overdose deaths aren’t the only measure of opioid abuse. Another is hospital and emergency-room admissions. According to the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, the number of opioid-related inpatient hospital stays nationwide (among states submitting data) that were paid for by Medicaid increased by about 40% between the fourth quarters of 2012 and 2014—about four times the rate of growth in Medicaid enrollment. Patient stays covered by private insurance increased 4% during this period.

Hospital and emergency-room admissions after 2013 likewise increased more in expansion states than in nonexpansion states with similar demographics and geography. It’s true that opioid-related visits by the uninsured dropped in many expansion states. But that can’t entirely account for the increase in Medicaid-paid hospitalizations. Between 2012 and 2014, emergency-room visits by Medicaid patients in Ohio doubled; enrollment increased 10%. But visits by the uninsured and Medicaid beneficiaries combined increased 40% during this period, which suggests an overall increase of use among low-income populations.

So what could help explain the apparent association between Medicaid and opioid abuse? For one, Medicaid patients may be more likely to be prescribed opioids—twice as likely, according to two studies, as privately insured individuals. A recent study by Express Scripts Holding found that about a quarter of Medicaid patients were prescribed an opioid in 2015.

State Medicaid programs also favor generics over more expensive branded painkillers with abuse-deterrent formulas. According to the Express Scripts study, generics accounted for 90% of Medicaid opioid medication claims. Large doses of oxycodone, methadone and fentanyl can be obtained cheaply with a Medicaid card and resold for a nice profit on the black market. Sen. Johnson’s review of recent open-source court files and news articles turned up 261 defendants who had been convicted of improperly using Medicaid cards to obtain prescription opioids.

Many states in recent years have set up databases to identify patients at risk for abuse based on the number of prescriptions they fill and pharmacies they visit. But often providers, particularly in emergency rooms where many Medicaid patients seek treatment, don’t have time to check the databases, examine patients for abuse, perform follow-up consultations, or consider alternative analgesics or physical therapy.

These problems have become even more acute following the expansion. Many primary-care providers won’t see Medicaid patients because of the low reimbursement rates, so emergency rooms have been inundated with patients. The wait to see a specialist can last months. Many Medicaid beneficiaries suffering from pain or substance abuse may not be getting the treatment they need.




Why not keep the drug abuse treatment benefits in medicaid and stop the medicaid financing of such dangerous drugs?
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 8:02 am
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45703 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:01 am to
I think we've discovered the least expensive and tallest wall to put on the Mexico/U.S. border. We just have IBF copy and past his way across the southern border. Nothing could scale the top of his wall of words.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26963 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:03 am to
Won’t do much. A Norco scrip costs less that a pack of cigs.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:03 am to
I know it's a challenge for you but know the 30 minutes it takes you to read the OP only takes most people about 20 seconds.
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 8:08 am
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:04 am to
Clearly the new money is adding to the supply of opioids. The stats are there.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:06 am to
How does this tie into film subsidies?
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
120165 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:06 am to
Medicaid shouldnt exist

Except for kids and those with legit disabilities
Posted by tedmarkuson
texas
Member since Feb 2015
2592 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:06 am to
on a side note Louisiana has become the B movie capitol of the world and i for one am glad Louisianians payed to make the movie Abraham Lincoln vampire killer!
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21855 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:06 am to
Opiods are dirt cheap.

A few bucks a bottle. If anything we should just up the dose. Let the people die and save us their other medical expenses.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21855 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:08 am to
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i for one am glad Louisianians payed to make the movie Abraham Lincoln vampire killer!


Me too! Great historical drama.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:10 am to
I agree but it is what it is now.

It's really outrageous that 25% of medicaid patients have been prescribed opioids.
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 8:11 am
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45703 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:26 am to
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it takes you to read the OP only takes most people about 20 seconds
Wow! That's some fast arse speed reading!

At 606 words in the OP that's gotta be some sort of world record at 1818 words a minute.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
52908 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:32 am to
Many people have chronic diseases like fibromyalgia where unfortunately science hasn't found a cure and the only treatment is pain pills. These diseases are so debilitating that these sufferers can't work and now you want to deny them treatment that allows them to function and live comfortably?
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21855 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:32 am to
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We just have IBF copy and past his way across the southern border. Nothing could scale the top of his wall of words.



IBF is an amateur compared to Whiskypapa
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98453 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:34 am to
Medicaid shouldn't exist
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45703 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:34 am to
quote:

Many people have chronic diseases like fibromyalgia where unfortunately science hasn't found a cure and the only treatment is pain pills. These diseases are so debilitating that these sufferers can't work and now you want to deny them treatment that allows them to function and live comfortably?
Fibromyalgia. The only disease known to exist only in your imagination.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98453 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:43 am to
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Fibromyalgia. The only disease known to exist only in your imagination.


There's a reason why the primary mediation for it (Lyrica) contains an antidepressant.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
52908 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:46 am to
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ason why the primary mediation for it (Lyrica) contains an antidepressant.

Actually in studies lyrica doesn't work that good. The disease tends to respond best to oxycotton
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13161 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 9:00 am to
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The disease tends to respond best to oxycotton


I'm sure it does.
Posted by flyAU
Scottsdale
Member since Dec 2010
24848 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 9:12 am to
Then make cannabis legal.
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