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Mandalay maintenance worker also shot at, called for police to be called
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:16 pm
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Much frickery going on with this.
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LAS VEGAS -- A maintenance worker said Wednesday he told hotel dispatchers to call police and report a gunman had opened fire with a rifle inside the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino hotel before the shooter began firing from his high-rise suite into a crowd at a nearby musical performance.
The revised timeline has renewed questions about whether better communication might have allowed police to respond more quickly and take out the gunman before he committed the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
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Worker Stephen Schuck says he was checking out a report of a jammed fire door on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay when he heard gunshots and a hotel security guard, who had been shot in the leg, peeked out from an alcove and told him to take cover.
"As soon as I started to go to a door to my left the rounds started coming down the hallway," Schuck said. "I could feel them pass right behind my head.
"It was kind of relentless so I called over the radio what was going on," he said. "As soon as the shooting stopped we made our way down the hallway and took cover again and then the shooting started again."
Much frickery going on with this.
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:19 pm to bamarep
Now a second man calling for help.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:21 pm to bamarep
IF this and the security guard thing are true and verifiable
Mandalay Bay (MGM Mirage or whatever they are called now) is going to be paying hundreds of millions of dollars out
I have seen how juries act when big companies act this way. Not going to go well.
Perhaps deservedly so.
Mandalay Bay (MGM Mirage or whatever they are called now) is going to be paying hundreds of millions of dollars out
I have seen how juries act when big companies act this way. Not going to go well.
Perhaps deservedly so.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:25 pm to Giant Leaf
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IF this and the security guard thing are true and verifiable
Mandalay Bay (MGM Mirage or whatever they are called now) is going to be paying hundreds of millions of dollars out
I have seen how juries act when big companies act this way. Not going to go well.
Perhaps deservedly so.
LVPD responded within minutes of the first call. I'm not sure what the issue is here.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:29 pm to Golfer
The question is the turnaround time in MB knowing of the shooter and contacting Vegas PD.
Last I heard, the guard was shot 10 minutes before he opened fire on the concert. If the delay in reporting was significant, it looks bad in a civil case against MB.
Last I heard, the guard was shot 10 minutes before he opened fire on the concert. If the delay in reporting was significant, it looks bad in a civil case against MB.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:30 pm to Golfer
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LVPD responded within minutes of the call. I'm not sure what the issue is.
My issue is with LVPD and FBI having two people know and report where the shooter is, yet they claim it took a long time to find him as 500+ were being shot.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:34 pm to bamarep
Strange how they released audio from his call and not the security guard.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:34 pm to teke184
All of that can be verified with the security video. How hard is it to piece together such a verifiable timeline? There should not need to be any revising of a GD timeline. Unless they are trying to do damage control which is $tupid.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:47 pm to Golfer
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LVPD responded within minutes of the first call.
Besides the FACT that it took them over an hour, well over an hour to blow what was left of the door?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:54 pm to bamarep
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Besides the FACT that it took them over an hour, well over an hour to blow what was left of the door?
He had stopped shooting before SWAT arrived.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:55 pm to DabosDynasty
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My issue is with LVPD and FBI having two people know and report where the shooter is, yet they claim it took a long time to find him as 500+ were being shot.
Did you listen to the scanner? It was chaos.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:56 pm to mmcgrath
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Strange how they released audio from his call and not the security guard.
Probably because The Maint. Guy, didn't say anything about Paddock asking for a snack bar.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:57 pm to auggie
The article linked says the maintence guy didn’t call LVPD. He radioed for dispatch to Call LVPD.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 5:43 pm to Golfer
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Did you listen to the scanner? It was chaos.
The whole 50 minutes or so, but if the narrative is to be believed, there was one shooter on the 32nd floor, and now were told not one but two people knew where that supposed one shooter was, yet he was difficult to find and it took nearly an hour to blow the door and get the one person believed to be the shooter. The narrative doesn't fit the scanner, multiple first person videos, nor logic. One guy was able to shoot 500 plus people from 400 yards away, yet couldn't kill a security guard in the hall with 200 shots, only hitting him once in the leg?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 5:57 pm to DabosDynasty
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and now were told not one but two people knew where that supposed one shooter was, yet he was difficult to find and it took nearly an hour to blow the door and get the one person believed to be the shooter. The narrative doesn't fit the scanner, multiple first person videos, nor logic.
You didn’t listen well to the scanner, then. Within 6 minutes there was an officer on the 32nd floor and had made contact with the guard. There were additional units there a few minutes after in the stairwell but there was indication it had been rigged and they did not have the safety gear to breach the door.
They knew where he was within minutes. They did not know if he was the only shooter based on the barrage of 911 calls from a rather large radius around the area.
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One guy was able to shoot 500 plus people from 400 yards away, yet couldn't kill a security guard in the hall with 200 shots, only hitting him once in the leg?
He didn’t shoot 500+ people. 500+ people were injured.
The door to his room was at the very end of the hall and he had cameras fixated down the hallway. Guard very likely was hit from a distance and ducked back down to the other hallway or elevator bank.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:06 pm to Golfer
Furthermore the guy actually was in two rooms and fired from each of he two.
There are questions, and in time we'll get them answered.
There are questions, and in time we'll get them answered.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:18 pm to Golfer
quote:Seemed more like 15-20 minutes by the scanner. Now we have to add 6 minutes to that if the hotel called in the shots.
Within 6 minutes there was an officer on the 32nd floor and had made contact with the guard.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:20 pm to bamarep
It's plausible that the police were thinking this was just a nut holed up in a hotel room with a gun. If that's the case they may have been proceeding at a more measured pace to minimize risk to themselves and others. At that point they may have also been thinking it was a hostage situation or an ambush or something along those lines. I doubt they thought he would be targeting a concert on the ground a few hundred yards away. Obviously once that began happening (which again would be difficult to determine right away) they had to act more quickly.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:27 pm to Golfer
Yes according to the scanner they were their quickly, the narrative is otherwise is my point. Hence the "never let a crisis go to waste" response of "imagine the deaths if the shooter has a silencer which the NRA wants to make easy to get." A "silencer" is sort of irrelevant to police arriving within 6 minutes because two people were able to tell them where to go, given her implication of making him even harder to find. His difficulty to find was pushed from the start by the MSM.
I know the unit from 31 was warned of the potential booby traps and remained in the stairwell. Over a week later they've changed the timing of the shooting and when the security guard was shot, from after the shooting to 6 minutes before, yet no clarification on the potential booby trapping. We have pictures from the room of the weapons, the body, and a picture of a note, yet still nothing on the booby traps. Any idea of what took them so long to blow the door as countless people were getting shot? Any word on how they were there so quickly, yet aren't sure of when he shot himself, something that would have made quite a lot of noise to 6 guys in the hallway.
Police scanner also identified a 5 man team on 5 pretty early on as well, prior to there being a team identified as sweeping the casino floor and the second floor if I remember correctly. Whys that if there was one guy on the 32nd floor? Could that team have gone after the shooting that could be seen and heard from a lower floor?
I know the unit from 31 was warned of the potential booby traps and remained in the stairwell. Over a week later they've changed the timing of the shooting and when the security guard was shot, from after the shooting to 6 minutes before, yet no clarification on the potential booby trapping. We have pictures from the room of the weapons, the body, and a picture of a note, yet still nothing on the booby traps. Any idea of what took them so long to blow the door as countless people were getting shot? Any word on how they were there so quickly, yet aren't sure of when he shot himself, something that would have made quite a lot of noise to 6 guys in the hallway.
Police scanner also identified a 5 man team on 5 pretty early on as well, prior to there being a team identified as sweeping the casino floor and the second floor if I remember correctly. Whys that if there was one guy on the 32nd floor? Could that team have gone after the shooting that could be seen and heard from a lower floor?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:25 pm to DabosDynasty
Why have our resident libs and cucks been silent in this one?
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