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Man Trump really moved the numbers for the election.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:25 pm
With economy doing awesome, how does a Democrat win. These fabricated stories are not going to work. Once again if the Black percentage ever aligns with the Hispanic/Asian it will be game over for the D party.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:27 pm to DarthRebel
Simply put, people are sick of business as usual politics.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:29 pm to DarthRebel
I love that Trump won literally every income group except for poors making $30k to $50k per year, and yet the narrative is that his voters are "uneducated".
Guess who makes $30k to $50k per year? Social workers and teachers.
Guess who makes $30k to $50k per year? Social workers and teachers.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:32 pm to DarthRebel
Also if Trump admin either addresses the problem of or at least scares illegals away from voting that's a guaranteed way to close the gap dramatically among hispanics.
If even 500,000 Hispanics voted illegally and you strip those votes away the margin would move from 65/29 to like 59/35. Further, I'd argue that Trump's actual border policies as POTUS so far would help him become appealing to legal Hispanic voters than he was as a candidate with all the fearmongering going on.
In dreamland, if you strip away ~ 1 million illegal Hispanic votes from 2016 and then he improves among the remaining legal Hispanic voters you could see the margin be something like 52/41. He'd be close to unbeatable.
If even 500,000 Hispanics voted illegally and you strip those votes away the margin would move from 65/29 to like 59/35. Further, I'd argue that Trump's actual border policies as POTUS so far would help him become appealing to legal Hispanic voters than he was as a candidate with all the fearmongering going on.
In dreamland, if you strip away ~ 1 million illegal Hispanic votes from 2016 and then he improves among the remaining legal Hispanic voters you could see the margin be something like 52/41. He'd be close to unbeatable.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:32 pm to DarthRebel
Trump getting near 30% Latino is really really good. McCain and Romney both had just under 20% Latino vote.
W had the highest ever for GOP I think around 37%.
If Trump can keep Latino at or above 30% and make some in roads with AA to about 15%. It's game over again.
W had the highest ever for GOP I think around 37%.
If Trump can keep Latino at or above 30% and make some in roads with AA to about 15%. It's game over again.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:34 pm to DarthRebel
As much as I like what Trump is doing (or trying to do), let's not start sucking each others dicks yet. These stats are as much, if not more, of a reflection of how shitty Hillary was than how much people wanted to vote for Trump.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:36 pm to udtiger
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As much as I like what Trump is doing (or trying to do), let's not start sucking each others dicks yet. These stats are as much, if not more, of a reflection of how shitty Hillary was than how much people wanted to vote for Trump.
Fair point but Trump's apprenticeship program would (IMO) appeal to Hispanics more than any other group in America.
I guaran-damn-tee you that were some bigtime shenanigans going on in Nevada with voter registration in 2016.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:38 pm to SirWinston
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Fair point but Trump's apprenticeship program would (IMO) appeal to Hispanics more than any other group in America.
I guaran-damn-tee you that were some bigtime shenanigans going on in Nevada with voter registration in 2016.
True, but the states are a reflection of what happened in 2016. If he can improve the economy and get done what he wants to get done, there will be a lot more red than what's on that chart in 2020.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:43 pm to DarthRebel
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Trump’s appeal to white non-college-educated Democrats and independents is clear with even a cursory glance at the election map. Take closely balanced Michigan, which Trump leads as of this writing by 12,000 votes. He carried the state by winning all but eight counties, including historically Democratic places such as Saginaw, Bay, and Gogebic counties. A Republican has not carried the first two since Ronald Reagan in 1984. Gogebic, a 92 percent white county on Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, hasn’t voted for the GOP since 1972.
The pattern is identical in other midwestern states that Trump won narrowly. He carried Wisconsin largely because he won ten white, historically Democratic counties in the southwestern part of the state that even Gore and Kerry won in their races against George W. Bush. Most of these counties had not been carried by the GOP nominee since George H. W. Bush in 1988 or Reagan in 1984; Republicans had not won Pepin and Kenosha since 1972. Trump swept Iowa by winning virtually every eastern county, places that had voted Democratic in every election since 1988. Pennsylvania’s Luzerne County last went Republican in 1988, while Ohio’s Trumbull County had been Democratic since 1972.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:44 pm to udtiger
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These stats are as much, if not more, of a reflection of how shitty Hillary was than how much people wanted to vote for Trump.
Her base picked her. They will be picking the next candidate, too. With a thin bench, we'll just have to see who they can find that's any better.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:53 pm to SirWinston
quote:thats the narrative because his voters are uneducated
...and yet the narrative is that his voters are "uneducated".
"College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%.
This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980.
For example, in 2012, there was hardly any difference between the two groups: College graduates backed Obama over Romney by 50%-48%, and those without a college degree also supported Obama 51%-47%."
these are the people who made trump president.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:05 pm to udtiger
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let's not start sucking each others dicks yet
Maybe we should to help move these numbers the right way
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:20 pm to MastrShake
quote:I bet most of that 43% have a degree in something that actually pays a livable wage and the majority of the 52% are bitterly unemployed and hoping for more handouts
College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%).
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:23 pm to Magician2
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Trump getting near 30% Latino is really really good.
It was that high in November or are you talking about what it will need to be in 2020?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:24 pm to Magician2
Agree wholeheartedly.
But the black community is SO frickING MONOLITHIC.
If I was a GOP politician, I would make it my career goal to win the black vote. The time is ripe to pull the veil from the eyes of the black community. The Democratic party is the modern day plantation.
I fear Trump has already sealed his fate with the black community. He has zero history of being racist, but they don't want to hear it.
But the black community is SO frickING MONOLITHIC.
If I was a GOP politician, I would make it my career goal to win the black vote. The time is ripe to pull the veil from the eyes of the black community. The Democratic party is the modern day plantation.
I fear Trump has already sealed his fate with the black community. He has zero history of being racist, but they don't want to hear it.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:38 pm to MastrShake
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...and yet the narrative is that his voters are "uneducated". thats the narrative because his voters are uneducated
Well it depends on whose definition of "educated" we are using. I am here to tell you right now, I know of many "educated" folks with high end degrees who were clueless when it came to practical/walking around issues. Education has more than one form and one doesn't need a piece of paper from a University to be educated....there is no direct correlation. I went to college and was not compelled to apply myself thus I never received a degree, however I have a very high IQ. Additionally I took up a different type of vocational training, own my own business, and am having a lot of success. I voted for Trump, proud of it, and I would very much so consider myself educated...just don't have a collegiate level degree in hand. I am sure there are many others like me who voted for Trump as well so raw stats can be deceiving.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:50 pm to therick711
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With a thin bench, we'll just have to see who they can find that's any better.
If they were smart, support would gel around Biden. Not a perfect candidate (no such thing), but he would be the best (from available) choice to go Prima Donna a Prima Don with Trump.
Assuming Bernie is just too damned old, then Warren will be the pure "progressive" play. Probably would be a mistake to run her, but she seems to have way more energy and is not nearly as unlikeable as Hillary.
The millenials may balk at going for Biden (or Franken or Kaine, for that matter) and force a "demographic" pick for the top spot, whether that be Warren, Booker, Harris or Gildebrand, regardless of how unprepared any of them are for a national campaign.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:27 pm to SirWinston
Something for you to strive for, mate.
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