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Let's talk about military spending
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:35 am
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:35 am
Our military spending is directly tied to our worldwide commitments.
You can't complain about military spending and then bash Trump for wanting other NATO nations to pony up.
You can't support wars in Iraq, Libya, and Syria and then want to spend less on the military.
You can't complain that the military is bloated and inefficient and doesn't need the money and then in the same breath complain that other bloated and inefficient government agencies like State do need the money.
You can't claim that cutting funding to the NIH will hurt the economy and cause people to lose their jobs and then want to cut military spending because the military creates infinitely more jobs and contributes exponentially more to the economy than every other government bureaucracy combined.
Our military spending is simply the cost of doing business as the world's only superpower. If you want to spend less on the military then we need to start talking about what kind of influence we want in the world. We need to back away from being the sword defenders of Europe and the Western Pacific.
I for one support doing away with the active duty Army and Air Force and having a large powerful Navy while pulling out of NATO completely and telling Japan and Korea best of luck.
You can't complain about military spending and then bash Trump for wanting other NATO nations to pony up.
You can't support wars in Iraq, Libya, and Syria and then want to spend less on the military.
You can't complain that the military is bloated and inefficient and doesn't need the money and then in the same breath complain that other bloated and inefficient government agencies like State do need the money.
You can't claim that cutting funding to the NIH will hurt the economy and cause people to lose their jobs and then want to cut military spending because the military creates infinitely more jobs and contributes exponentially more to the economy than every other government bureaucracy combined.
Our military spending is simply the cost of doing business as the world's only superpower. If you want to spend less on the military then we need to start talking about what kind of influence we want in the world. We need to back away from being the sword defenders of Europe and the Western Pacific.
I for one support doing away with the active duty Army and Air Force and having a large powerful Navy while pulling out of NATO completely and telling Japan and Korea best of luck.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:37 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I for one support doing away with the active duty Army and Air Force and having a large powerful Navy while pulling out of NATO completely and telling Japan and Korea best of luck.
Definitely not where I anticipated that post ending up.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:38 am to boosiebadazz
Because I don't support cutting military spending for the sake of cutting military spending. I support a massive change in our foreign policy that will result in a massive decrease in military spending.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:38 am to boosiebadazz
quote:Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution.
Definitely not where I anticipated that post ending up.
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To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 11:44 am
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:39 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I for one support doing away with the active duty Army and Air Force and having a large powerful Navy while pulling out of NATO completely and telling Japan and Korea best of luck.
Why would you disband active duty army and Air force?
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:40 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I for one support doing away with the active duty Army and Air Force and having a large powerful Navy
Not saying you are wrong or anything. I don't really know much about the advantages of each but just curious on your reasoning.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:40 am to Wolfhound45
Did not know that about the 2 year limit on raising money for an Army.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:41 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Yeah, telling our allies in Europea, Japan and Korea that, meh you know, we are bored with you, so, screw you, yeah, that will really be great for US interests.
Because after all, nothing is less important than American strength in the world and goddamn we need some tax cuts so I can buy cable.
Because after all, nothing is less important than American strength in the world and goddamn we need some tax cuts so I can buy cable.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:42 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Just make sure the funding is there for my substantial retirement, dont really give a shite about the rest.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:42 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I for one support doing away with the active duty Army and Air Force and having a large powerful Navy while pulling out of NATO completely and telling Japan and Korea best of luck.
I fricking told them letting gays serve openly in the military was only the gateway, now they want us to conform and all be gay
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:43 am to Eurocat
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Because after all, nothing is less important than American strength in the world and goddamn we need some tax cuts so I can buy cable.
So why can't our allies spend enough money maintain a credible military? One that can actually defend themselves with.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:44 am to Kino74
quote:Because we don't need them in my utopia where we don't involve ourselves in every random conflict that pops up and they're just an excuse to fight wars we don't need to fight. The Navy is perfectly capable of dealing with the brushfires that pop up that threaten our economic interests. A strong a well trained reserve or national guard force could be called up in the event of a major war.
Why would you disband active duty army and Air force?
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:45 am to Eurocat
Smedley Butler
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I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
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This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:45 am to Eurocat
quote:So you support an increase in military spending?
Yeah, telling our allies in Europea, Japan and Korea that, meh you know, we are bored with you, so, screw you, yeah, that will really be great for US interests.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:46 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Because we don't need them in my utopia where we don't involve ourselves in every random conflict that pops up and they're just an excuse to fight wars we don't need to fight. The Navy is perfectly capable of dealing with the brushfires that pop up that threaten our economic interests. A strong a well trained reserve or national guard force could be called up in the event of a major war.
I don't think you get rid of the Air Force. Army, I could see. Air superiority is worth having. F-35, not so much.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:47 am to S1C EM
quote:We'd still have an air force it would just be part of the national guard.
I don't think you get rid of the Air Force. Army, I could see. Air superiority is worth having. F-35, not so much.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:47 am to Kino74
For one, we have told Japan that we do not want them to.
This was US policy (still is).
Seriously, how can you blame Japan for this?
We also wanted to keep Germany weak so we have more or less the same deal there, but now in one fell swoop Trump starts complaining about, it is insane and unfair.
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This was US policy (still is).
Seriously, how can you blame Japan for this?
We also wanted to keep Germany weak so we have more or less the same deal there, but now in one fell swoop Trump starts complaining about, it is insane and unfair.
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:48 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Yes, I think it should be far more than the 54 billion currently asked for.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:48 am to Eurocat
quote:The time for all that has come and passed. Let them build their armies as big as they like.
For one, we have told Japan that we do not want them to. This was US policy (still is). Seriously, how can you blame Japan for this? We also wanted to keep Germany weak so we have more or less the same deal there, but now in one fell swoop Trump starts complaining about, it is insane and unfair
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