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Let's say the Comey memo is true

Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:02 pm
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:02 pm
So Trump tries to influence the FBI to make an investigation go away. That's gotta be obstruction right? Pretty big deal. Comey sits on it for nearly 3 months and only floats it once he's fired? Further erodes the credibility of his FBI tenure doesn't it?
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 5:04 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:03 pm to
quote:

So Trump tries to influence the FBI to make an investigation go away. That's gotta be obstruction right? Comey sits on it for nearly 3 months and only floats it once he's fired? Further erodes the credibility of his FBI tenure doesn't it?



Maybe. I mentioned in another thread it is relevant.

But if we start with the memo being true, I don't think anyone really gives a shite about Comey's performance and credibility otherwise
Posted by UHTiger
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:04 pm to
Spinning right round like a record baby right round
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:04 pm to
if all that was said was "i hope you can let this go"

that's not obstruction
Posted by InTheDetails
Real, USA
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:04 pm to
They spinnin, they spinnin, they spinnin.
Posted by Seldom Seen
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:04 pm to
It's not true. Comey isn't credible, he's disgruntled as is the whole swamp.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:04 pm to
How can we prove it's true?
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:05 pm to
quote:

It's not true. Comey isn't credible, he's disgruntled as is the whole swamp.



Trump should tweet this.
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:06 pm to
The reported statement in itself is not really evidence of trying to influence an investigation.

Firing Comey shortly after, whether it had anything to do with it or not, would probably lead Comey to believe that his continuing the investigation had something to do with his firing. So back then, probably just a note he makes as a matter of course. Once he is fired, it's probably something more interesting.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:06 pm to
quote:


But if we start with the memo being true, I don't think anyone really gives a shite about Comey's performance and credibility otherwise


Well it would show he didn't put the law above himself. That he played politics and let personal preservation influence the course of investigations. That's worth giving a shite about.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:07 pm to
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if all that was said was "i hope you can let this go" that's not obstruction


Followed up by firing Comey...
Posted by Seldom Seen
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:07 pm to
Posted by InTheDetails
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:08 pm to
quote:

if all that was said was "i hope you can let this go"

that's not obstruction


That's influencing an investigation...but wait...I believe that using one's position to try and influence an investigation is called---obstruction?

Obstruction can include crimes committed by judges, prosecutors, attorneys general, and elected officials in general. It is misfeasance, malfeasance or nonfeasance in the conduct of the office. Most commonly it is prosecuted as a crime for perjury by a non governmental official primarily because of prosecutorial discretion.


Nonfeasance is the failure to act where action is required—willfully or in neglect.
Misfeasance is the willful inappropriate action or intentional incorrect action or advice.
Malfeasance is the willful and intentional action that injures a party.
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 5:10 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:09 pm to
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Comey sits on it for nearly 3 months and only floats it once he's fired?
Well it wouldn't be so troubling if the firing never occured, expecially after Trump almost immediately changed the narrative from the "official" one.

And ironically, he brought attention to the "tape" of said meeting.
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 5:11 pm
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:09 pm to
If the memo is true, which we have no confirmation that it is, then it's a pretty bad moment for the president. It lends credence to the theory that the firing constituted obstruction of justice. That could mean impeachment, but conviction would be unlikely.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:10 pm to
If it is not on tape it did not happen
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:11 pm to
quote:

If it is not on tape it did not happen
Cordially,

Barack Obama
Eric Holder
Hillary Clinton

Interesting standard there.
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 5:12 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:12 pm to
quote:

Let's say the Comey memo is true
What would that make it?

It would not make it a verified statement by the POTUS. It would simply be Comey's impression. Nor would the memo establish honest context. As I said in another thread, it would simply be a memo written by an incompetent hack who IAW bipartisan consensus was a proven misfit in his job as FBI Director
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:14 pm to
quote:

How can we prove it's true?



Yeah, who knows?

I mean, tapes I suppose

Otherwise, you're looking at how much documentation does Comey have? A memo? Memo plus emails or other communications putting time stamps on raising the issue?

Ultimately, we probably can't prove Comey's account, but if it is detailed and written and contemporaneous, what does the WH have to push back with?
Posted by LoneMDG
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:15 pm to
Still would need to get to the bottom of the whole story. While this surface level obstruction would probably suffice, the story of collusion involving multiple people in the campaign/cabinet, needs to run it's course as well.
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