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Let's say the Comey memo is true
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:02 pm
So Trump tries to influence the FBI to make an investigation go away. That's gotta be obstruction right? Pretty big deal. Comey sits on it for nearly 3 months and only floats it once he's fired? Further erodes the credibility of his FBI tenure doesn't it?
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:03 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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So Trump tries to influence the FBI to make an investigation go away. That's gotta be obstruction right? Comey sits on it for nearly 3 months and only floats it once he's fired? Further erodes the credibility of his FBI tenure doesn't it?
Maybe. I mentioned in another thread it is relevant.
But if we start with the memo being true, I don't think anyone really gives a shite about Comey's performance and credibility otherwise
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:04 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Spinning right round like a record baby right round
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:04 pm to Lsuhoohoo
if all that was said was "i hope you can let this go"
that's not obstruction
that's not obstruction
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:04 pm to Lsuhoohoo
They spinnin, they spinnin, they spinnin.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:04 pm to Lsuhoohoo
It's not true. Comey isn't credible, he's disgruntled as is the whole swamp.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:04 pm to Pettifogger
How can we prove it's true?
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:05 pm to Seldom Seen
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It's not true. Comey isn't credible, he's disgruntled as is the whole swamp.
Trump should tweet this.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:06 pm to Lsuhoohoo
The reported statement in itself is not really evidence of trying to influence an investigation.
Firing Comey shortly after, whether it had anything to do with it or not, would probably lead Comey to believe that his continuing the investigation had something to do with his firing. So back then, probably just a note he makes as a matter of course. Once he is fired, it's probably something more interesting.
Firing Comey shortly after, whether it had anything to do with it or not, would probably lead Comey to believe that his continuing the investigation had something to do with his firing. So back then, probably just a note he makes as a matter of course. Once he is fired, it's probably something more interesting.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:06 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
But if we start with the memo being true, I don't think anyone really gives a shite about Comey's performance and credibility otherwise
Well it would show he didn't put the law above himself. That he played politics and let personal preservation influence the course of investigations. That's worth giving a shite about.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:07 pm to HailToTheChiz
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if all that was said was "i hope you can let this go" that's not obstruction
Followed up by firing Comey...
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:08 pm to HailToTheChiz
quote:
if all that was said was "i hope you can let this go"
that's not obstruction
That's influencing an investigation...but wait...I believe that using one's position to try and influence an investigation is called---obstruction?
Obstruction can include crimes committed by judges, prosecutors, attorneys general, and elected officials in general. It is misfeasance, malfeasance or nonfeasance in the conduct of the office. Most commonly it is prosecuted as a crime for perjury by a non governmental official primarily because of prosecutorial discretion.
Nonfeasance is the failure to act where action is required—willfully or in neglect.
Misfeasance is the willful inappropriate action or intentional incorrect action or advice.
Malfeasance is the willful and intentional action that injures a party.
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:09 pm to Lsuhoohoo
quote:Well it wouldn't be so troubling if the firing never occured, expecially after Trump almost immediately changed the narrative from the "official" one.
Comey sits on it for nearly 3 months and only floats it once he's fired?
And ironically, he brought attention to the "tape" of said meeting.
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:09 pm to Lsuhoohoo
If the memo is true, which we have no confirmation that it is, then it's a pretty bad moment for the president. It lends credence to the theory that the firing constituted obstruction of justice. That could mean impeachment, but conviction would be unlikely.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:10 pm to Lsuhoohoo
If it is not on tape it did not happen
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:11 pm to gthog61
quote:Cordially,
If it is not on tape it did not happen
Barack Obama
Eric Holder
Hillary Clinton
Interesting standard there.
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:12 pm to Lsuhoohoo
quote:What would that make it?
Let's say the Comey memo is true
It would not make it a verified statement by the POTUS. It would simply be Comey's impression. Nor would the memo establish honest context. As I said in another thread, it would simply be a memo written by an incompetent hack who IAW bipartisan consensus was a proven misfit in his job as FBI Director
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:14 pm to GumboPot
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How can we prove it's true?
Yeah, who knows?
I mean, tapes I suppose
Otherwise, you're looking at how much documentation does Comey have? A memo? Memo plus emails or other communications putting time stamps on raising the issue?
Ultimately, we probably can't prove Comey's account, but if it is detailed and written and contemporaneous, what does the WH have to push back with?
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:15 pm to buckeye_vol
Still would need to get to the bottom of the whole story. While this surface level obstruction would probably suffice, the story of collusion involving multiple people in the campaign/cabinet, needs to run it's course as well.
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