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Let's Have a Good 'Ol Fashioned Debate In Light of a Man who Kills in the Name of Religion
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:04 am
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:04 am
Christian Man Kills His Daughter for Dating a Muslim
I often hear a blanket criticism of Islam on account of criminal acts committed by people who are Muslim.
Here's what I am looking for a debate on:
1) How is murdering your own daughter for religious reasons any different than a Muslim who murders people for the same?
2) In light of this story, and any other incidents where a Christian commits a crime because of his religion, is it fair to discount an entire religion because of this? Think about how many of your fellow law abiding US citizens are Christians. Think about how many of your fellow law abiding US citizens are Muslim...
I have a feeling we'll hear alot about how 'Well, errr Islam says kill people and their religion demands a Jihad".
First off, I doubt few, if any of you, have read the Koran to have an understanding of the context of the book. If you were to take several passages of the Christian Bible on their face, out of context, you may be surprised at how violent that book is. Not the best argument if you actually know what you're talking about.
Let's hear it, Christian apologists; how can you not denounce Christianity for the acts of an individual, yet do it for Islam?
quote:
An Israeli-Christian man is accused of stabbing his teenage daughter to death because, authorities say, he didn't approve of her relationship with a Muslim man. Prosecutors say Sami Karra, 58, killed his daughter in their family home in the central Israeli town of Ramle, a day after she graduated from high school.
I often hear a blanket criticism of Islam on account of criminal acts committed by people who are Muslim.
Here's what I am looking for a debate on:
1) How is murdering your own daughter for religious reasons any different than a Muslim who murders people for the same?
2) In light of this story, and any other incidents where a Christian commits a crime because of his religion, is it fair to discount an entire religion because of this? Think about how many of your fellow law abiding US citizens are Christians. Think about how many of your fellow law abiding US citizens are Muslim...
I have a feeling we'll hear alot about how 'Well, errr Islam says kill people and their religion demands a Jihad".
First off, I doubt few, if any of you, have read the Koran to have an understanding of the context of the book. If you were to take several passages of the Christian Bible on their face, out of context, you may be surprised at how violent that book is. Not the best argument if you actually know what you're talking about.
Let's hear it, Christian apologists; how can you not denounce Christianity for the acts of an individual, yet do it for Islam?
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 7:10 am
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:05 am to Womski
Let's not and say we did
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:08 am to Womski
So you pick one isolated incident and use that to discount the daily atrocities of Islamists. 
Yeah solid discussion.
Yeah solid discussion.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:08 am to Womski
He didn't follow the word of Jesus.
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:09 am to Womski
quote:
1) How is murdering your own daughter for religious reasons any different than a Muslim who murders people for the same?
It's not
quote:
2) In light of this story, and any other incidents where a Christian commits a crime because of his religion, is it fair to discount an entire religion because of this? Think about how many of your fellow law abiding US citizens are Christians. Think about how many of your fellow law abiding US citizens are Muslim...
When "Christians" start committing violence in the name of religion on a scale with Muslims, let me know, we can have this debate again.
Comparing Christian violence to Muslim violence is like comparing apples to Buicks.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:10 am to Womski
Even as a person that does not identify with any religion, nor consider myself to be very religious at all, I can tell the difference in an isolated incident and group acceptance. One Christian doing something idiotic like this does not equal acceptance of this behavior amongst the Christian faith such is the case with much of Islam in the Middle East.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:12 am to Womski
Muslims do it because their religion tells them to. (Goes along with their religion)
If Christians do it, our religion says to ask for forgiveness and repent. (Goes against our religion)
If Christians do it, our religion says to ask for forgiveness and repent. (Goes against our religion)
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:15 am to Womski
Lol at the moral equivalency fail, we are talking about an extremely isolated incident vs. a third of the planet inhabited by dirty Stone Age violent pedo worshippers
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:15 am to pwejr88
I hear Muslims say all the time that terrorists are misinterpreting the Koran, and that their religion is one of peace and forgiveness.
Try again.
Try again.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:15 am to Womski
Holy shite. You think that is the foundation for a "good" "debate"?
Here's my addition...GFY
Here's my addition...GFY
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:17 am to Womski
quote:
First off, I doubt few, if any of you, have read the Koran to have an understanding of the context of the book. If you were to take several passages of the Christian Bible on their face, out of context, you may be surprised at how violent that book is. Not the best argument if you actually know what you're talking about.
Also, I may not be very religious, but I am knowledgable in religions. With that said, you can take whatever passage you would like in the Bible and put in into whatever context you may like and you will still not come up with something close to "Kill non-Christians." However, the Koran specifically directs its followers to "slay them"
quote:
And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter... and fight them until fitnah is no more, and religion is for Allah.-Quran 2:191
Logical interpretation: A command to kill non-Islamics wherever they may be, take there lands, and pursue a global Islamic following.
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 7:25 am
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:17 am to Strannix
quote:
third of the planet inhabited by dirty Stone Age violent pedo worshippe
Wow a whole third!? They're all dirty!? They're all child molesters?
Your blatant bias is evident and your misrepresentation of facts makes anything you say non-credible.
Next.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:18 am to Womski
I'll take the bait....
1) I don't see anywhere in the article where said man stabs daughter because of his religious beliefs, it only points out that he is a Christian-Israelite man that stabbed a Muslim man because he didn't agree with his daughter being with him. While I guess it's easy to jump to that conclusion, not sure how this would be any different that someone murdering child if they dated/ married someone of same sex, different race, or just a shitehead that you didn't like.
2) I'm curious of these other so called crimes that Christians commit against society. I'm struggling to think of any.
And if you really want to have a serious discussion about biblical references, instead of simply stateing that there are many places in the Bible that allow murders or crimes against against, why don't you list those verses in their entirety with surrounding verses. You are operating from a negative argument and not really wanting to have a serious discussion, but rather troll the board with useless nonsense.
1) I don't see anywhere in the article where said man stabs daughter because of his religious beliefs, it only points out that he is a Christian-Israelite man that stabbed a Muslim man because he didn't agree with his daughter being with him. While I guess it's easy to jump to that conclusion, not sure how this would be any different that someone murdering child if they dated/ married someone of same sex, different race, or just a shitehead that you didn't like.
2) I'm curious of these other so called crimes that Christians commit against society. I'm struggling to think of any.
And if you really want to have a serious discussion about biblical references, instead of simply stateing that there are many places in the Bible that allow murders or crimes against against, why don't you list those verses in their entirety with surrounding verses. You are operating from a negative argument and not really wanting to have a serious discussion, but rather troll the board with useless nonsense.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:18 am to Womski
quote:
If you were to take several passages of the Christian Bible on their face, out of context, you may be surprised at how violent that book is.
This is true, but the problem is there isn't a significant enough of a fringe group of Christians that cause damage like the fringe Muslim groups. The outliers in Christianity get shunned pretty quickly and aren't allowed to grow in strength because Christianity is based in countries where there are laws to snuff it out if it grows steam.
Anyone can take any religion to the extreme. Hell I'm Buddhist, and non-violence is central to my religion, but there have been wars fought in the name of Buddhism.
It's the government of these Muslim countries that are the problem. They allow extreme views that are outdated to exist and it gives the extremist liberties to grow. I fully believe that if a country governed through a Christian philosophy violent fringe groups would grow there eventually. It's the nature of humanity.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:19 am to CatahoulaCur
Aaaannnnndddd have a downvote
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:19 am to Vols&Shaft83
I missed the "New Testament" update to the murderous book that is the Koran.
The Bible mentions love a little over 300 times.
The Koran mentions love (the most generous number I could find) right around 100 times.
Frick Islam if they can't modernize their religion to the point where a large number of their savages want to chop the heads off of our children.
The Bible mentions love a little over 300 times.
The Koran mentions love (the most generous number I could find) right around 100 times.
Frick Islam if they can't modernize their religion to the point where a large number of their savages want to chop the heads off of our children.
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 7:23 am
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:21 am to Womski
quote:
I hear Muslims say all the time that terrorists are misinterpreting the Koran
They can say it all they want, but it's no different than when some Christians deny that the Biblical text is anti-homosexual. Just because you would like to pretend somethings are not there doesn't make it so. 
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:22 am to Womski
Was his name Hitler?
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:23 am to mindbreaker
quote:
Christian philosophy
Where in this Christian philosophy does it promote violence?
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:23 am to Womski
And to further note... if you are truly interested in having a true apologetic debate about religions, I think you need to freshen up on the Christian religion. The Christian religion (in a very broad sense) is based off of teachings of Jesus and his death, burial, an resurrection. The Old Testament, which I'm only guessing you are referencing where verses can be applied in your argument, it's (in a broad sense) Jewish law/ religion.
So are you wanting to argue Christian or Jewish religion here?
So are you wanting to argue Christian or Jewish religion here?
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