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It's basically defined as something more than a hunch based upon specific articulable facts.

I guess my point was that this would likely be a big problem for the same minority demographic that these voter id laws are purported to affect. So wouldn't having an ID help hedge off the victimization of the minority base by the police and reduce detentions and arrests?

The talking is where 'further suspicion' can be raised - slurred speech, smelled alcohol, etc.

This is where these guys who have the cards with ID, registration and request to put ticket under wipers come in. They don't roll the window down either. Hold up card and remain silent.

Yep, and you don't even have to be honest about it.

You could even say Puddin'tain...

but I wouldn't recommend it.

Also relevant to the discussion:
United States v. Burleson, No. 10-2060, 2011 U.S. App. LEXIS 18820
(10th Cir. Decided September 12, 2011)
[I]t is well-settled in the traffic-stop context that while an investigative detention is ongoing, a police officer may obtain an individual's name and check that name for outstanding warrants. United States v. Villa, 589 F.3d 1334 (10th Cir. 2009) It is not a violation of the Fourth Amendment for an officer who performs a Terry stop on a pedestrian suspected of engaging in criminal activity to obtain that individual's identity and perform a warrants check. Permitting a warrants check during a Terry stop on the street also promotes the strong government interest in solving crimes and bringing offenders to justice. United States v. Villagrana-Flores, 467 F.3d 1269 (10th Cir. 2006)