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Lack of adequate police officers is an issue. What's your solution?
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:03 pm
I'm just spitballing and expect people to see all sorts of issues in my proposal but how about scaling back pensions (for new hires) while increasing by the hour pay while also offering free college tuition for in state colleges similar to LA Guard. Essentially treat policing as a paramilitary volunteer service. I'm interested in hearing the pros and cons as well as alternatives
This post was edited on 5/20/17 at 9:04 pm
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Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:05 pm to DrunkerThanThou
Civilian militia.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:05 pm to DrunkerThanThou
Having a president who doesn't demonize police is a good start.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:13 pm to white beans
Lethal force. That will make all the "uppity liberals" think twice.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:16 pm to DrunkerThanThou
Increased education requirements and as stringent a psychological test as is possible. Neither of these will ever happen, as it would mean less police officers.
Another issue is the war on drugs. There is an epic scene in The Wire where Bunny Colvin tells Sgt. Carver that the war on drugs has effectively created a culture where the police have zero ability to do actual police work, as the focus on statistics and the perception of being tough on crime outweigh all other alternatives.
Another issue is the war on drugs. There is an epic scene in The Wire where Bunny Colvin tells Sgt. Carver that the war on drugs has effectively created a culture where the police have zero ability to do actual police work, as the focus on statistics and the perception of being tough on crime outweigh all other alternatives.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:18 pm to DrunkerThanThou
Step 1: end the war on drugs. That would reduce their needs by about 30%
Step 2: lower drinking age to 18. That's another 10% of their responsibilities eliminated.
Step 3: stop using police as tax collectors via speed traps and DUI's. Police should only do those things if the neighborhood calls them and demands it to fix a problem. That's another 20%.
Right there, I have reduced their manpower/time needs by 50%
Step 4: reform paperwork requirements to get cops back on patrol faster. That would free up 30% of their time.
Step 5: place a cap on OT. PD's milk OT so much that it bankrupts the budget and pension system. Less billed OT means they will have more more money to hire more officers.
Step 6: greatly increase starting pay for officers. Many people don't want to be a cop because it's a hard job that doesn't pay worth a damn. Better pay means more and better applicants.
Step 7: more dedicated taxes for police.
Step 2: lower drinking age to 18. That's another 10% of their responsibilities eliminated.
Step 3: stop using police as tax collectors via speed traps and DUI's. Police should only do those things if the neighborhood calls them and demands it to fix a problem. That's another 20%.
Right there, I have reduced their manpower/time needs by 50%
Step 4: reform paperwork requirements to get cops back on patrol faster. That would free up 30% of their time.
Step 5: place a cap on OT. PD's milk OT so much that it bankrupts the budget and pension system. Less billed OT means they will have more more money to hire more officers.
Step 6: greatly increase starting pay for officers. Many people don't want to be a cop because it's a hard job that doesn't pay worth a damn. Better pay means more and better applicants.
Step 7: more dedicated taxes for police.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:18 pm to DrunkerThanThou
There's not a lack of police officers, it's just their priority on what the patrol/arrest for isn't right. Our police should be there to serve and protect, not run radar and bust people for pot. If they focused on violence, robberies, real issues then we'd be staffed just fine.
This post was edited on 5/20/17 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:18 pm to DrunkerThanThou
We actually have too many police officers, relative to our Court and Corrections agencies ability to keep pace with the number of arrests.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:19 pm to DrunkerThanThou
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I'm interested in hearing the pros and cons as well as alternatives
One of the major issues is finding "qualified candidates", meaning people without a criminal record. You see, one of the long term problems with "tough on crime" and very active (read as: passing lots of laws) legislators is, the more crimes on paper (laws) the more criminal acts occur.
Many jurisdictions now are having to write new laws exempting LEO candidates from having to pass certain aspects of a background check, i.e., the drug laws. Getting really hard to find young people who have not been popped with a single joint or some such. Then they have the drug related polygraph and piss tests. I read a few years ago, even the FBI is headed toward a "no current use" of drugs rather than a snow white clean drug background.
If everything is criminal activity, then everyone is a criminal and unable to be LEO. But hey, let's get tough on crime, let's pass more and more laws, let's get everyone we can into "the system". Land of the Free*, Home of the Brave.
*the nation with the highest per capita prison population
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:19 pm to DrunkerThanThou
Get better citizens
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:28 pm to DrunkerThanThou
I've talked to several deputies who serve as SROs(School Resource Officer) at my school. They say the problem is HR departments. They get these candy arse women to run them. They don't want ex-military because they've too crazy and aggressive, blah, blah, blah...they don't want anybody from another department bc "obviously" they weren't any good in there other department, "therefore won't be good here". So what you're left with is a bunch of young, really guys who don't have the experience to deal with the ghetto boom bang environments they're given bc anybody with experience gets promoted out of those environments. I always support the police, but some times when I see those "wrongful police shootings" and there are a few it's a young scared guy who has no business working that beat in the first place. So ultimately I'd say the problem with them as is with most of the corporate world is candy arse policies of HR departments.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:41 pm to DrunkerThanThou
My husband and I were out running errands today and watched a police officer stop a black gentleman who was walking down a heavily traveled road carrying shopping bags. My initial thought was that it seemed like huge waste of resources. My second thought was "no wonder some black people feel they are being targeted". My third thought was "maybe he was just asking the guy if he was ok?".
I obviously have no idea why the cop stopped him but on our way back we saw the guy walking down the road again.
I don't like to second guess police officers. God knows they deal with more than I could.
But we have too many laws. We have too many little bull shite reasons for cops to interact with people. We should stop making cops deal with silly shite. Let them go after truly bad guys.
I obviously have no idea why the cop stopped him but on our way back we saw the guy walking down the road again.
I don't like to second guess police officers. God knows they deal with more than I could.
But we have too many laws. We have too many little bull shite reasons for cops to interact with people. We should stop making cops deal with silly shite. Let them go after truly bad guys.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:51 pm to DrunkerThanThou
GED recipients who have the green light to execute, no shortage
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:56 pm to Pinecone Repair
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We should stop making cops deal with silly shite. Let them go after truly bad guys.
You'll get pushback from law enforcement though because the silly shite is both easier plus adds lots of easy revenues. Our justice system should not be funded by ticketing/arresting people. That's the opposite of a free society.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 10:03 pm to DavidTheGnome
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You'll get pushback from law enforcement though because the silly shite is both easier plus adds lots of easy revenues. Our justice system should not be funded by ticketing/arresting people. That's the opposite of a free society.
You're right. I don't know how to right this ship.
It's really frustrating because it seems like whenever you try to have a conversation about this sort of thing you're shot down for being anti cop.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 10:04 pm to kingbob
Exact sort of answer I wanted. My next question would be, What's the first set of local level laws that can be realistically implemented to move he needle towards the "ideal"? I get the sense that too much of politics today's deals in the abstract. It would be encouraging to hear a short term policy with a long term goal in mind. That in of itself would be groundbreaking
This post was edited on 5/20/17 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 5/20/17 at 10:06 pm to Pinecone Repair
Frustrating yes but why let the conversation end at that point. Consider this a thought experiment. I want to at the very least come up with a 5 yr. plan that realistically leads to a 10yr. plan and so on
This post was edited on 5/20/17 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 5/20/17 at 10:08 pm to DrunkerThanThou
Anarcho-Capitalism
Posted on 5/20/17 at 10:20 pm to kingbob
quote:ending the war on drugs would greatly increase the need for cops. You lacks the insight to understand that fact. I'm not even going to get into all your other retarded points.
Step 1: end the war on drugs. That would reduce their needs by about 30%
Posted on 5/20/17 at 10:29 pm to airfernando
How so?
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