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Klitschko Urges Ukrainian Parliament for Full Mobilization
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:00 am
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:00 am
While it seems obvious that if a region of your country is under invasion and occupation from a foreign power you should mobilize your army to defend it. However, full mobilization in Ukraine is tantamount to a declaration of war. If Parliament obliges, Russian troops will undoubtedly move in to "protect the ethnic Russians" in Crimea.
Considering that Ukraine is stuck between (a) giving up the peninsula, and thus a valuable sea port, or (b) inviting Russia in with a full scale war, what, in your opinion, should be done?
Considering that Ukraine is stuck between (a) giving up the peninsula, and thus a valuable sea port, or (b) inviting Russia in with a full scale war, what, in your opinion, should be done?
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 10:02 am
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Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:02 am to TigerPride10
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Considering that Ukraine is stuck between (a) giving up the peninsula, and thus a valuable sea port, or (b) inviting Russia in with a full scale war, what, in your opinion, should be done?
ukraine should stand strong, right now they have the intl community behind them
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:03 am to willthezombie
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ukraine should stand strong
Okay.
What does that mean?
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:06 am to TigerPride10
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Considering that Ukraine is stuck between (a) giving up the peninsula, and thus a valuable sea port, or (b) inviting Russia in with a full scale war, what, in your opinion, should be done?
Go to the U.N. and appeal to the international community, right?
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:07 am to TigerPride10
I'm trying to think of other countries in similar situations and how they would act.
I think Ukraine is going to get smaller. Russians are going to accept Russian intervention.
I think Ukraine is going to get smaller. Russians are going to accept Russian intervention.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:09 am to TigerPride10
They best bet for international help is to defend their country militarily. If they do nothing and Russia takes the Crimea without firing a shot then the world will stand idly by and watch.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:09 am to TigerPride10
quote:You're two days behind. That happened on Thursday.
Russian troops will undoubtedly move in to "protect the ethnic Russians" in Crimea.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:09 am to C
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I'm trying to think of other countries in similar situations and how they would act.
I'm having a hard time drawing any sort of comparison from the present time. The only ones I can think of are the Balkan countries, and we see how well that all went down.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:11 am to constant cough
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Go to the U.N. and appeal to the international community, right?
Ukraine doesn't need a U.N. Resolution, they need muscle. Who's going to provide it? Poland? Germany? France? U.K.?
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:11 am to TigerPride10
quote:Not close to being identical. But even if it was, it turned out okay, IMO. There are several newly independent with their own elected governments.
The only ones I can think of are the Balkan countries, and we see how well that all went down.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:12 am to trackfan
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Germany?
I'm sure the German Army marching across the plains of Eastern Europe again to fight the Russians will go over perfectly.Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:13 am to trackfan
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Ukraine doesn't need a U.N. Resolution, they need muscle.
Surely you're admitting that the U.N. is feckless?
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:14 am to TigerPride10
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What does that mean?
It means you fight. Don't do what the frenchy's did and just sit by and watch a enemy take you over.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:15 am to TigerPride10
Example I can think of is Australia and Papua New Guinea jus t because I've been there. Australia has strong ties there to this day and a large Australian population there. Australia would certainly and has intervened when necessary to stabilize the country in the past. China likely has similar situations in parts of south east Asia. French in chad. Not exactly the same though. Maybe it would be like Mexico and the USA if our powers were reversed. What would Mexico do if civil war broke out in the USA and ethnic Mexicans were under threat in Houston?
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:16 am to LSURussian
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Not close to being identical.
Did I suggest identical? If you can't draw the comparisons between the historic ethnic tensions that existed and the regional "dominant" power (Serbia/Russia) in each situation vying to control its former subordinates, then you need a lesson.
Also, do you consider genocide and instability that continues to this day as "turning out okay?"
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:16 am to constant cough
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Surely you're admitting that the U.N. is feckless?
Of course it is, because the major powers want it to be weak. If the U.N. was strong, the U.S., Russia and China would be constrained and they don't want that.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:18 am to Ponchy Tiger
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It means you fight.
Naturally, one would think so, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you yet. However, fighting for a region that supports your opponent may only give Putin a justification for making it a wider conflict.
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Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:22 am to C
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Not exactly the same though. Maybe it would be like Mexico and the USA if our powers were reversed. What would Mexico do if civil war broke out in the USA and ethnic Mexicans were under threat in Houston?
Imagine if Quebeckers decided to overthrow the government in Canada. I imagine the Anglo Canadians would turn to their closest ally for help.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:27 am to C
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China likely has similar situations in parts of south east Asia
This is a good one, but moreso in Northeast Asia. Many ethnic Chinese have moved into Siberia, and China and Russia have almost come to blows in the past and still may in the future if the migration and Chinese dominance of the region continues unabated.
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 10:28 am
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:30 am to TigerPride10
quote:I don't need a lesson.
If you can't draw the comparisons between the historic ethnic tensions that existed and the regional "dominant" power (Serbia/Russia) in each situation vying to control its former subordinates, then you need a lesson.
I was assigned by the IMF to work in Belgrade, Serbia less than 30 days after Slobodan Milocevic' was overthrown by his people in 2000. The NATO bomb craters were still evident everywhere. I've worked there many times since then.
I've also worked in the Republika of Serbska and in Sarjevo in Bosnia-Herzegovinia. The first time was 60 days after the Dayton Accord was signed to stop the Serbs from shelling Sarajevo and brought to an end NATO's first bombing campaign against Serbia.
I'm pretty sure I'm more familiar with what happened in the Balkans than you are.
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