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Khalid Sheik Mohammed in his own words update book review
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:03 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:03 am
Marc Thiessen has a new piece out in today’s Washington Post on the new memoir by Khalid Sheik Mohammed interrogator James E. Mitchell (“Enhanced Interrogation: Inside the Minds and Motives of the Islamic Terrorists Trying To Destroy America”) that sheds some light on exactly how al-Qaeda thought America would react to the 9/11 attacks.
Spoiler: George W. Bush did the opposite of what the terrorists thought he would do and according to KSM, the invasion of Afghanistan prevented “a second wave of attacks” on America:
But KSM said something else that was prophetic. In the end, he told Mitchell, “We will win because Americans don’t realize .?.?. we do not need to defeat you militarily; we only need to fight long enough for you to defeat yourself by quitting.”
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Spoiler: George W. Bush did the opposite of what the terrorists thought he would do and according to KSM, the invasion of Afghanistan prevented “a second wave of attacks” on America:
But KSM said something else that was prophetic. In the end, he told Mitchell, “We will win because Americans don’t realize .?.?. we do not need to defeat you militarily; we only need to fight long enough for you to defeat yourself by quitting.”
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This post was edited on 12/28/16 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:19 am to Jbird
quote:That is the actual goal of all wars. The purpose is to outlast the enemy from a morale standpoint, both with the soldiers and citizens at home.
We will win because Americans don’t realize .?.?. we do not need to defeat you militarily; we only need to fight long enough for you to defeat yourself by quitting.”
We have failed in our implementation of war for decades.
If the purpose was retaliatory, as was the "stated" case in the ME, we should have bombed them and left.
Nation building is a failed component of our current strategy, and that man understood that.
We have squandered the currency of national support on moronic ME incursions, and that is apparent in the current sentiment of our society.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:24 am to Jbird
This admission makes little sense. Did KSM think they would just continue to fly airplanes into buildings until America went away? That was the genius of AQ?
Bush's "surprise plan" of bombing Afghanistan wasn't surprising to anyone. The surprise was when the main effort in Afghanistan was to install a new regime at the expense of finding OBL. Which is how KSM said it would end.
It seems like there is a ton on after the fact and picking and choosing going on to craft this story.
Bush's "surprise plan" of bombing Afghanistan wasn't surprising to anyone. The surprise was when the main effort in Afghanistan was to install a new regime at the expense of finding OBL. Which is how KSM said it would end.
It seems like there is a ton on after the fact and picking and choosing going on to craft this story.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 11:26 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:27 am to MrCarton
They assumed we would lob some Tomahawk's into an aspirin factory or empty tents. Consider it a crime and call it a day. They didn't expect the U.S. to topple the Taliban and hunt their asses down in the mountains.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:28 am to Jbird
If he's talking about our endeavors in the middle east he has a point. Attacks on our soil will eventually cause a backlash that could cause the muslim community here to pay a heavy price.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:31 am to Scruffy
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We have failed in our implementation of war for decades.
Negative feedback of collateral damage is the excuse here.
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If the purpose was retaliatory, as was the "stated" case in the ME, we should have bombed them and left.
Negative feedback of collateral damage is the excuse here also.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:31 am to Jbird
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They assumed we would lob some Tomahawk's into an aspirin factory or empty tents. Consider it a crime and call it a day. They didn't expect the U.S. to topple the Taliban and hunt their asses down in the mountains.
I don't see that as being a plausible assumption. It's actually quite absurd. aside from the USS liberty attack, the United States has a history crushing those who attack it. all the way back to the very beginning.
Edit: great post though man. I will be sharing this one
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:32 am to bencoleman
But perhaps the most riveting part of the book is what KSM told Mitchell about what inspired al-Qaeda to attack the United States — and the U.S. response he expected. Today, some on both the left and the right argue that al-Qaeda wanted to draw us into a quagmire in Afghanistan — and now the Islamic State wants to do the same in Iraq and Syria. KSM said this is dead wrong. Far from trying to draw us in, KSM said that al-Qaeda expected the United States to respond to 9/11 as we had the 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut — when, KSM told Mitchell, the United States “turned tail and ran.” He also said he thought we would treat 9/11 as a law enforcement matter, just as we had the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and the USS Cole in Yemen — arresting some operatives and firing a few missiles into empty tents, but otherwise leaving him free to plan the next attack.
“Then he looked at me and said, ‘How was I supposed to know that cowboy George Bush would announce he wanted us ‘dead or alive’ and then invade Afghanistan to hunt us down?’” Mitchell writes. “KSM explained that if the United States had treated 9/11 like a law enforcement matter, he would have had time to launch a second wave of attacks.” He was not able to do so because al-Qaeda was stunned “by the ferocity and swiftness of George W. Bush’s response.”
“Then he looked at me and said, ‘How was I supposed to know that cowboy George Bush would announce he wanted us ‘dead or alive’ and then invade Afghanistan to hunt us down?’” Mitchell writes. “KSM explained that if the United States had treated 9/11 like a law enforcement matter, he would have had time to launch a second wave of attacks.” He was not able to do so because al-Qaeda was stunned “by the ferocity and swiftness of George W. Bush’s response.”
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:33 am to MrCarton
KSM “said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States” and “wrap themselves in America’s rights and laws” until they were strong enough to rise up and attack us. “He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people would eventually become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.”
“Eventually,” KSM said, “America will expose her neck for us to slaughter.”
But quitting will not bring us peace, KSM told Mitchell. He explained that “it does not matter that we do not want to fight them,” Mitchell writes, adding that KSM explained “America may not be in a religious war with him, but he and other True Muslims are in a religious war with America” and “he and his brothers will not stop until the entire world lives under Sharia law.”
“Eventually,” KSM said, “America will expose her neck for us to slaughter.”
But quitting will not bring us peace, KSM told Mitchell. He explained that “it does not matter that we do not want to fight them,” Mitchell writes, adding that KSM explained “America may not be in a religious war with him, but he and other True Muslims are in a religious war with America” and “he and his brothers will not stop until the entire world lives under Sharia law.”
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 11:36 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:40 am to Jbird
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we do not need to defeat you militarily; we only need to fight long enough for you to defeat yourself by quitting.”
How does he define quitting? The U.S. just pulling our forces out of Muslim areas and accepting that we will have some civilian losses to the home grown hadjis?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:41 am to Jbird
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wrap themselves in America’s rights and laws” until they were strong enough to rise up and attack us
Huma?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:44 am to Jbird
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KSM said this is dead wrong. Far from trying to draw us in, KSM said that al-Qaeda expected the United States to respond to 9/11 as we had the 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut — when, KSM told Mitchell, the United States “turned tail and ran.” He also said he thought we would treat 9/11 as a law enforcement matter, just as we had the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and the USS Cole in Yemen — arresting some operatives and firing a few missiles into empty tents, but otherwise leaving him free to plan the next attack.
Surely KSM can see the difference between hitting the wtc on US soil vice bombing US embassies and Marine barracks abroad.
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“Eventually,” KSM said, “America will expose her neck for us to slaughter.”
so wait... is he saying that the WTC attacks worked better than he thought? I fail to see the picture that KSM is painting here.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:46 am to MrCarton
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Surely KSM can see the difference between hitting the wtc on US soil vice bombing US embassies and Marine barracks abroad.
Maybe you're attributing too much sophistication to his historical understanding.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:46 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:No idea.
How does he define quitting?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:48 am to MrCarton
quote:Apparently the goat herder didn't, I think they underestimated Bush/s resolve more than anything.
Surely KSM can see the difference between hitting the wtc on US soil vice bombing US embassies and Marine barracks abroad.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:49 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Maybe you're attributing too much sophistication to his historical understanding
No, I am actually attributing zero understanding to his understanding. What he is saying doesn't make any sense. Granted, we don't know the full text or context of the interrogations.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:49 am to MrCarton
quote:I think just the opposite, he was caught off guard by the swift actions, having said that I think he is suggesting the long game versus a short term loss.
so wait... is he saying that the WTC attacks worked better than he thought? I fail to see the picture that KSM is painting here.
Odd ball way of claiming lose the battle win the war?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:51 am to MrCarton
I guess, I don't understand what you're arguing then. I thought you were saying it was not plausible that KSM said/thought such things. It wouldn't be implausible to someone who lacks a nuanced understanding of history, I'd think.
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