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re: It's clearly just coincidence, right?
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:20 am to Tiger Tracker
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:20 am to Tiger Tracker
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The chart is innacurate because. Immigration/refugees existed well before the timeline presented.
I'd have to dig into the numbers, but odds are the number of immigrants/refugees entering Sweden increased substantially during the inflection point in the graph. This Foreign Policy article from February 2016 states:
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A nation of 9.5 million, Sweden expected to take as many as 190,000 refugees, or 2 percent of the population — double the per capita figure projected by Germany, which has taken the lead in absorbing the vast tide of people fleeing the wars in Syria, Iraq, and elsewhere.
LINK
This is anecdotal evidence (disclaimer: from the National Review) but shows an interviewer on the ground talking with Swedish citizens regarding the uptick in immigration/refugee violence circa December 2016:
LINK
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:21 am to Tiger Tracker
quote:Denial of the obvious is the same kind of thinking that insisted the world was flat. Congrats, you have now reached new levels of regression.
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Are you denying that Muslim immigrants in Sweden and throughout Europe are violent and have failed to assimilate to civilized culture?
*Crickets*
Some sure. All no. The majority? I haven't seen statistical evidence to prove this.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:21 am to theronswanson
Your point isn't too far fetched considering Obama tied terrorism to global warming. Would make sense that the pirates latched on as well.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:22 am to theronswanson
people don't understand that correlation doesn't always equal causality. It's confirmation bias they are after and won't dig further to see if their charts actually prove their point.This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 6:22 am
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:24 am to TakingStock
The reply to my reply is a point I didn't finish making; basically, given the vast influx of new people into Sweden over the past few years (the vast majority being of the Muslim faith), the uptick in violence/grenade usage/etc. would most likely be due to the result of the increase in people...in this case, those people are Muslims. I don't have enough time to post more data, but it's not a difficult conclusion to reach.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:25 am to TakingStock
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I'd have to dig into the numbers, but odds are the number of immigrants/refugees entering Sweden increased substantially during the inflection point in the graph.
Once you dig and prove that the chart proves correlation equals causality please let me know. Until then i will reserve my judgment.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:28 am to Tiger Tracker
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No denial or melt. Prove to me the grenade attacks are a direct result of immigration. Ill wait.
Prove they aren't!, I'll wait
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:40 am to TakingStock
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The reply to my reply is a point I didn't finish making; basically, given the vast influx of new people into Sweden over the past few years (the vast majority being of the Muslim faith)
Can we start by proving this? We haven't even established that muslims are the vast majority immigrating to sweden. Im not saying it's not true. Just asking for a link of the data.
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the uptick in violence/grenade usage/etc. would most likely be due to the result of the increase in people...in this case, those people are Muslims.
Why is this the case? There are so many other factors that could play in to this.
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I don't have enough time to post more data, but it's not a difficult conclusion to reach.
Just because someone finds it an "easy" conclusion doesn't make it true. You believe what you want to believe, but you still haven't provided actual evidence your belief is the truth based on factual evidence. You've made general assumptions to reach a conclusion you wanted to reach.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:42 am to the LSUSaint
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Prove they aren't!, I'll wait
Prove they are. If you make the assertion/accusation this is fact let me see the facts which prove this. Until then i wont make assumptions based on unsupported claims.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:45 am to Tiger Tracker
Nothing to do with immigration. They just need common sense grenade control laws.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 6:58 am to theronswanson
quote:you can manipulate a graph to say anything. briefly looking at the # of pirates and its not a constant-- so the data has been shoe horned in. it means nothing.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:13 am to Tiger Tracker
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:18 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Between 2008 and 2011, there were 22 noted explosive attacks or attempts: 12 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 2 in 2009, and 1 in 2008. Two of these (one in 2011, one in 2008), were reported to be as a result of hand grenades
Uh oh son, you done just got caught.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:20 am to Tiger Tracker
quote:it's clear Sweden should halt/ban Muslim immigration until the analysis of the data is proven true or false. That way they can do what is best for the average Swedish citizen and the good of the country.
Once you dig and prove that the chart proves correlation equals causality please let me know. Until then i will reserve my judgment.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 7:22 am
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:20 am to Tiger Tracker
Well, it can be clearly proven that Sweden increased its refuge program around that time. If it runs concurrent with the increase of those types of attacks, then one must assume a direct correlation between the 2 until otherwise proven false...
I know you're just one of those people who like to argue, but denying Sweden, of all places on earth, doesn't have an increase of violence since the refuges arrived, is as moronic of a stance as an educated person can take.
I know you're just one of those people who like to argue, but denying Sweden, of all places on earth, doesn't have an increase of violence since the refuges arrived, is as moronic of a stance as an educated person can take.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 8:12 am to Tiger Tracker
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Tiger Tracker
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:50 am to the LSUSaint
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then one must assume a direct correlation between the 2 until otherwise proven false...
So i also must assume that global warming caused a spike with pirates?
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denying Sweden, of all places on earth, doesn't have an increase of violence since the refuges arrived, is as moronic of a stance as an educated person can take.
Yeah that's not the stance i am taking. I am saying that because violence rose doesn't mean it was a direcr result of immigrants.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:51 am to bhtigerfan
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bhtigerfan
Thanks for proving me wrong and showing the graph is accurately depicting what it claims...oh wait...that never happened did it.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:57 am to Tiger Tracker
This new guy won't last long. A true believer. You aren't as smart as you fancy yourself...res ipsa is a real thing. Your denial...doesn't change that.
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