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It looks like Obama did spy on Trump, just as he apparently did to me
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:11 am
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VERTISEMENT If these reports are accurate, it means U.S. intelligence agencies secretly surveilled at least a half dozen Trump associates. And those are just the ones we know about. Besides Manafort, the officials include former Trump advisers Carter Page and Michael Flynn. Last week, we discovered multiple Trump “transition officials” were “incidentally” captured during government surveillance of a foreign official. We know this because former Obama adviser Susan Rice reportedly admitted “unmasking,” or asking to know the identities of, the officials. Spying on U.S. citizens is considered so sensitive, their names are supposed to be hidden or “masked,” even inside the government, to protect their privacy.
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In May, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates acknowledged they, too, reviewed communications of political figures, secretly collected under President Obama.
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You’ll recall DNI Clapper falsely assured Congress in 2013 that the NSA was not collecting “any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans.” Intel agencies secretly monitored conversations of members of Congress while the Obama administration negotiated the Iran nuclear deal. In 2014, the CIA got caught spying on Senate Intelligence Committee staffers, though CIA Director John Brennan had explicitly denied that. There were also wiretaps on then-Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) in 2011 under Obama. The same happened under President George W. Bush to former Congresswoman Jane Harman (D-Calif.). Journalists have been targeted, too. This internal email, exposed by WikiLeaks, should give everyone chills. It did me.
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The intelligence community secretly expanded its authority in 2011 so it can monitor innocent U.S. citizens like you and me for doing nothing more than mentioning a target’s name a single time. In January 2016, a top secret inspector general report found the NSA violated the very laws designed to prevent abuse. In 2016, Obama officials searched through intelligence on U.S. citizens a record 30,000 times, up from 9,500 in 2013. Two weeks before the election, at a secret hearing before the FISA court overseeing government surveillance, NSA officials confessed they’d violated privacy safeguards “with much greater frequency” than they’d admitted. The judge accused them of “institutional lack of candor” and said, “this is a very serious Fourth Amendment issue.”
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:12 am to Jbird
Can't be posted enough times.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:13 am to Jbird
quote:How many conversations with Manafort did you have? Was it about your lousy threads on the Poli Board?
It looks like Obama did spy on Trump, just as he apparently did to me
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 10:14 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:14 am to PsychTiger
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Two weeks before the election, at a secret hearing before the FISA court overseeing government surveillance, NSA officials confessed they’d violated privacy safeguards “with much greater frequency” than they’d admitted. The judge accused them of “institutional lack of candor” and said, “this is a very serious Fourth Amendment issue.”
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:14 am to mmcgrath
quote:Good lord you are one dumb bastard.
How many conversations with Manafort did you have? Was it about your lousy threads on the Poli Board?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:15 am to PsychTiger
What's scary is, if the Dem machine future had worked out for them they way they expected, we wouldn't even be discussing this.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:16 am to Jbird
Exact same thread posted yesterday. Gumbo is way ahead of you.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:18 am to Jbird
If I contacted Paul Pavlovich Manafort while he was under active surveillance and was incidentally intercepted, did the FBI spy on me?
I think it's important to draw the distinction between targeted and incidental surveillance.
I think it's important to draw the distinction between targeted and incidental surveillance.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:20 am to Navytiger74
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I think it's important to draw the distinction between targeted and incidental surveillance.
Not if you are desperately trying to validate trumps tweets.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:23 am to GFaceKillah
quote:Well Jbird's a cantankerous fricker but he isn't a politard. And let's be honest; I can't really hold anyone for being cantankerous.
Not if you are desperately trying to validate trumps tweets.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:25 am to Navytiger74
quote:Meh relaxed unmasking procedures makes it about moot.
I think it's important to draw the distinction between targeted and incidental surveillance.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:27 am to Jbird
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relaxed unmasking procedures
Relaxed from what stricter standard?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:28 am to Decatur
quote:Did you forget Obama's team led by Clapper and Lynch opening the procedures up?
Relaxed from what stricter standard?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:30 am to Navytiger74
Why spy on manafort and not say podesta? They are two sides of the same coin with the same seedy connections to the eastern bloc.
Never mind, I know why.
Even if this weren't politically motivated, the administration lost its moral high ground with the IRS scandal. No one believes the spin anymore.
Never mind, I know why.
Even if this weren't politically motivated, the administration lost its moral high ground with the IRS scandal. No one believes the spin anymore.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:35 am to Jbird
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Did you forget Obama's team led by Clapper and Lynch opening the procedures up?
Can specify exactly what you are referring to?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:35 am to Decatur
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Intelligence professionals tell Circa News they were concerned that some of the Russian intelligence was spread through group briefings to a much larger than usual audience back in January. This would have happened during the final days of the Obama administration when it expanded Executive Order 12333, which allows employees with a “need to know” to have unfettered access to raw data stored by the NSA. These new rules allowed the NSA to share “raw signals intelligence information,” including the names of those involved in phone conversations and emails. “The expansion of the order makes it difficult to narrow in on the leaks and frankly, it allows too many people access to the raw data, which only used to be available to a select few,” said a U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity as they were not authorized to speak on the matter.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:38 am to Decatur
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It gives the NSA almost unlimited authority to access information and intercept overseas communications. Obama sought to expand those powers and take down the wall during his second term in office. The original executive order only allowed limited personnel - those with the highest levels of security clearances - to view the original raw data. But the changes came at the end of his presidency. On Jan. 3, then Attorney General Loretta Lynch signed the expansion of the executive order, which had already been signed by DNI Director James Clapper in mid-December.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:38 am to Jbird
What is Trump's stance on the Patriot Act and mass surveillance?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:38 am to cwill
quote:No idea.
What is Trump's stance on the Patriot Act and mass surveillance?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:45 am to Jbird
Looked it up:
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Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump on Tuesday sided with Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) over Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on restoring surveillance measures under the Patriot Act.
"I tend to err on the side of security, I must tell you," Trump told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt when asked about the metadata program.
"When you have the world looking at us and would like to destroy us as quickly as possible, I err on the side of security," Trump added.
The position marks a contrast with Cruz, whom Rubio has targeted for opposing the bulk metadata program.
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