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Is Trump changing positions, or is he negotiating?

Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:23 pm
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:23 pm
Government is give-and-take...even among one's own party. Therefore, I can forgive him giving in on some things.

Do you think Trump is giving in on his big promises, or is he coming to grips with reality and compromising in order to get the best deal?
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 2:24 pm
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
5820 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:25 pm to
He's not sure.

It's not easy as it looks
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38733 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:26 pm to
he is dealing

It is really how all of them should act to extent

our normal politicians are so scared to change course because it will be used against them. It is important to change course when facts are different.

I am not a blind follower - he is making plenty of mistakes. I just like him not being a politican that has to draw a nonsense line in sand
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:26 pm to
I think a lot of things he's said has been negotiation tactics and a lot of stuff has just been bullshite.

Mixed bag.

Maybe he was harsh on China to create leverage in negotiations. He changes his rhetoric and now they have abstained from voting in the UN, which was a huge surprise.

Posted by btnetigers
South Louisiana
Member since Aug 2015
2248 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:26 pm to
He's grabbing everyone by their pu$$ies.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66380 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:27 pm to
I think it's clear he's changing positions.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

I am not a blind follower - he is making plenty of mistakes. I just like him not being a politican that has to draw a nonsense line in sand


I tend to agree with this. I'm sure the presidency looks much different from the oval office than from behind a podium at a rally.
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5637 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:28 pm to
Are you referencing the WSJ piece? He's flip flopping like crazy because he doesn't have a clue what he's doing. This is what the learning curve looks like for somebody who's not in politics. Sometimes that's a good thing ("drain the swamp!" lol) but when you're forced to talk about things you don't really understand you're bound to change your mind after the fact, a lot.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:28 pm to
He's flipped flopped more than a fish out of water.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22751 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:28 pm to
I think his end goal will always be to obtain a solution. I don't expect him to just stop working on things if he doesn't get everything his way. I think some of his initial positions were also exaggerated to get the best deal also.

So I don't think he has necessarilly changed many of his positions. I think it is all part of the deal making with negotiation strategy and compromise to be successful.
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
5820 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:29 pm to
He said the things he needed to get elected.

He is a politician, so much for draining the swamp
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35342 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:29 pm to
He isn't running anything anymore. Didn't even know about the bomb in Afghanistan.

The military and Mike Pence are running things right now. Trump just gets updates on what his new policies are.
Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
22028 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:30 pm to
Is Trump changing positions or is CNN just focused on reporting everything in a negative way?

CNN would have done the same for Obama, right? Gitmo is gone, correct?
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7770 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:31 pm to
Trump got cucked by a bunch of cucks. Im not sure what that makes him, but it aint good.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35342 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

Is Trump changing positions or
You have to be a true believer to not believe this has happened.
Posted by Minnesota Tiger
Member since Oct 2005
4414 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:33 pm to
He learned that everything he promised is bullshite, and only he and his voters believed it.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22751 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:36 pm to
The reason everyone thinks he is changing his position is because our stupid politicians would rather get all or nothing regardless of the division it creates or the progress it stops.

A change in position would be coming in and having such a hard line on every issue that he wasn't trying to make a deal. The core of his candidacy was that he was going to make deals and do them with an America First motivation.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

our stupid politicians would rather get all or nothing regardless of the division it creates or the progress it stops.


This has been the major issue with our politics all the way back to Woodrow Wilson.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84582 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:40 pm to
quote:

I tend to agree with this. I'm sure the presidency looks much different from the oval office than from behind a podium at a rally.


The potshots he's taken on Twitter for the last 8 years have come back to bite him in the rear end a few times in the past few days.

Many people on this board are saying all of his hardline stances were just negotiating tactics, but they touted those stances all throughout the campaign, so I'm wondering if this is all just spin.

He's taken care of the SC, which is great, but he has to tackle healthcare and taxes - everything else is just fluff to me.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
20333 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:42 pm to
I think he does some of the stupid stuff, like controversial tweets, etc. to distract the media and get them on a feeding frenzy over the stupid stuff while he negotiates the serious stuff He is still playing with them like he did during the election.
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