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Is there anything more fascist than political correctness?

Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:24 pm
Posted by gobuxgo5
Member since Nov 2012
10024 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:24 pm
I have not seen anything like it. The "sound of music " is the only thing I remember watching that might be close to it where the nazis demanded loyalty.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35948 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:28 pm to
A government spying on all of its citizens and unknowingly collecting data on all its citizens and police being able to kill citizens without repercussions.
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:37 pm to
fascism
Posted by 20MuleTeam
West Hartford
Member since Sep 2012
3862 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:50 pm to
Not much
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32089 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:52 pm to
Yes.

Direct censorship, which is the next step now that Trump proved that Political Correctness isn't silencing dissent anymore.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48264 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:54 pm to
The International Left isn't going to be toying around with legal and democratic methods for too many more generations.

If We the People can't be mentally conditioned to vote for socialism we will be forced into socialism.
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
6931 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:57 pm to
Fascism.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Give a specific example where the state forced an idea that you think was politically correct.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21855 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:51 pm to
quote:

Give a specific example where the state forced an idea that you think was politically correct.


"Hate speech" laws

"Hate" Crimes
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 11:54 pm
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 12:16 am to
Since you are clearly ignorant on what facism means:


The word "fascism" is a favorite insult for many, especially in light of the current political climate. If you aren’t already calling them Hitler, tying whoever you oppose to fascism is a great hyperbolic second. Most of the time, however, the word is not used correctly, ignoring historical precedent and the specific conditions that need to exist for a country to go fascist.

Fascists originally hail from Italy, where Mussolini founded the National Fascist Party in 1919-1921, on the heels of World War I. In fact, the word “fascism” comes from "fasces" or "fascio littorio" - a bunch of rods tied around an axe, an ancient Roman symbol of the magistrate's authority, which could be used for corporal and capital punishment.

Fasce

Fascio Littorio

What needs to happen in a country for it to become fascist?

1. Fascism thrives in militaristic societies. World War I caused a tremendous militarization of a number of countries. Nations like Italy and Germany saw the need to be able to quickly mobilize millions of people to fight wars and provide economic support.

2. Fascists reject liberal democracy, which is basically a representative kind of government where elections are free and competitive, powers between different government branches are separated, and people have more or less equal rights, freedoms and protections under the law.

3. Fascists, on the other hand, prefer totalitarian one-party rule, led by a strong leader (your favorite dictator). This allows the fascist country to have unparalleled national unity of purpose, a very ordered society, generally ready for armed conflict. Such a society is also poised to respond quickly to economic measures, especially in time of difficulties. A fascist country will likely isolate itself, blaming the international economic order for its troubles.

Mussolini and Hitler

Mussolini and Hitler

4. What is important to note is that many scholars do not regard fascism to be a solely right-wing or left-wing affliction. It may have elements of both sides of the spectrum. Mussolini himself described fascism as a movement that would strike "against the backwardness of the right and the destructiveness of the left".

According to the British historian Roger Griffin, fascist societies of the 20th century also exhibited such components as "a rebirth myth, populist ultra-nationalism and the myth of decadence." Essentially, fascism promises that radical, nationalist politics will pull a nation out of decadence into a period of renewal.

Coming on the heels of the military and economic humiliation suffered by Germany in World War I, followed by the hedonism of the Weimar Republic, one can imagine the appeal held by the narrative that Germans were actually a nation of superior Aryan people, with supposed ancient roots. All they needed to do was to weed out the members of society that caused their country to rot from the inside, and they were sure to assume their rightful place as the leaders of the world.

Nazi parade

German Nazi activist Horst Wessel (1907 - 1930, left) at the head of a parade of S.A. stormtroopers, or 'brownshirts', in Nuremberg, Germany, 1929. This photo is from a series of collectable images published in Germany during the Nazi period, entitled 'Deutschland Erwacht' (Germany Awakes). (Photo by Hulton Archive/Getty Images)

Can fascism come back to Europe in this day and age? Certainly, there are a number of European ultra-nationalist parties that made significant political gains, often sporting racist, anti-semitic, anti-immigrant, and isolationist agendas. These include the National Front in France, Jobbik Party in Hungary, Golden Dawn in Greece, and the Freedom Party in Austria, whose candidate Norbert Hofer is in position to become the country’s President in the current elections.


Jobbik rally

Here’s a chart that shows the rise of ultra-nationalist politics across Europe:

The rise of such parties can be seen as a response to the threats posed by Islamic terrorism and as an extension of economic issues facing European society, with growing inequalities between members of the shaky European Union. It is unlikely, however, that the changes European ultra-nationalists might effect in their countries would result in authoritarian one-party states. An anti-immigration stance is not in itself fascism. Ultra Nationalist parties in Europe

What about the United States? What would it take for the great bastion of democracy to turn to the dark side? Some feel anxiety listening to the promise to make America great again, which clearly states a need for rebirth so America could attain its lost mythological status. Others are getting ready for a tyrannical government, which would take away their guns and money and abolish their religion. While both parties often invoke fascism in partisan name-calling, the strong position of the state within fascism would go against the grain of the American Republican party, while the social restrictions would be anathema to the Democrats. Fascism is likely the ultimate "outsider" dogma.

Can an outsider channel the anger felt by millions at the supposed failings of the “establishment” and proclaim himself or herself the one authority on all national decisions? It’s hard to fathom the possibility of checks and balances built into the American government to be so easily circumventable. But there is one way that fascism can take hold in the U.S.

5. The ultimate circumstance when people are willing to give up on their ideals is being in a state of great fear for their safety.

This fear has not yet reached its peak and hopefully never will. Scenarios under which some form of fascism could infect the US would include a cataclysmic world war or perhaps more likely - a much more serious terrorist event, like an attack with a nuclear weapon. This could be followed by a severe economic downturn like the Great Depression, and then people might be willing to give up their rights to a strongman.

Atomic explosion

Thankfully, these conditions are not present in our current world, and we have to hope and work hard so that our institutions can withstand even the gravest threats. Right now, it seems impossible that the kind of militarization, total control of mass media, and social homogeneity fascism requires would ever come to exist in the United States. Still, never say never. History often moves quicker than we can grasp.
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 12:20 am to
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Fascism.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Give a specific example where the state forced an idea that you think was politically correct.


While i find the political correctness movement to be annoying, the people that act like they're victimized by it are the dumbest of the dumb. You can still be intolerant and a bigot. No one will stop you.
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 12:33 am to
quote:

Hate speech" laws

"Hate" Crimes


Jesus youre dumb. How are either of these a problem?
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11140 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 4:47 am to
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This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 10:56 pm
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35948 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:53 am to
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How are either of these a problem?

Because hate speech laws ban constitutionally protected speech. Who gets to determine what is and isn't offensive? One man's hate speech is another's poetry. Do you not these kinds of laws would be abused by those in power? Don't like certain speech, call it hate speech and criminalize it.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34866 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:57 am to
quote:

A government spying on all of its citizens and unknowingly collecting data on all its citizens and police being able to kill citizens without repercussions.


Resisting Police in attempts to do their job essentially puts those Police in potential danger. There are few instances of Police killing COOPERATIVE Citizens. Times are changing; politics like PC has crept into the Legal System.

Bottom line. Hair trigger. Resist...and take your life into your own hands.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112406 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:24 am to
If you teach your dog to salute when you say "Heil Hitler" you can get into trouble.

Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
6001 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:26 am to
lol. yes. in fact many thing are more fascist than political correctness.
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4408 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:27 am to
You mean like when Kathy Griffin did a photo shoot, and the snowflakes got her fired because it wasn't politically correct?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:52 am to
I posted this great quote by George Carlin on here last week:

"Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners."
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:58 am to
quote:

Give a specific example where the state forced an idea that you think was politically correct.


Technically Americans still have free speech, but starting literally last week, free speech in Canada is completely dead: C-16.

Basically the bill entails that if you don't call someone by their preferred pronoun, even something as ridiculous as "Ze" or "Zer", then you can be imprisoned for it.

And there are fascists, particularly in the blissfully unaware Antifa, who want to implement this here. We have to fight them every step of the way, especially when we have dickheads like Howard Dean saying "Hate speech isn't free speech".
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 9:59 am
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41644 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:45 am to
Political correctness is an attack on freedom of speech and expression, so yeah, it's fascist.
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