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Is there any reason for "professional" polls to exist anymore?

Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:03 pm
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:03 pm
They have been proven to be false "science".

They should be viewed as legitimate as palm readings....
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:15 pm to
It gives "the press" something to talk about?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:19 pm to
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They have been proven to be false "science".

They should be viewed as legitimate as palm readings....
Well many of us followed them closely, and found it interesting. So if there is a demand for them, then they will exist.

And as far as the science, there is some clear issues pollsters will have to deal with moving forward (technology being a major change), but save for some systematic errors in the Midwest, they were pretty accurate overall.
Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:25 pm to
The average of the national polls had Clinton ahead by a little over a point. That's pretty much dead on.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:28 pm to
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They have been proven to be false "science".



Have they? Or maybe you never understood how probability works in the first place.

ETA: This is like when the weatherman gets his forecasts right 9 days out of 10, but everyone judges him by the 1 day that he gets wrong saying that he is completely unreliable and never gets anything right.
This post was edited on 1/18/17 at 8:31 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:30 pm to
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Or maybe you never understood how probability works in the first place.
Some were saying that it was a cop-out that 538's model was giving Trump a chance. As if the world works in absolutes.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164014 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:32 pm to
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The average of the national polls had Clinton ahead by a little over a point. That's pretty much dead on.


Because the only poll that matters to them is the last one. That's when they actually did they job and used legit samples.

The polls from the beginning to mid-October were made to push their agenda which was to depress and suppress Trump support. Hillary was up double digits consistently. And the samples used were a higher D skew than either of Obama's elections.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:34 pm to
The world is not static. Information is not perfect. This shouldn't be a shocking revelation.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164014 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:37 pm to
Information is even more imperfect when it's made under false pretenses.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:37 pm to
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Because the only poll that matters to them is the last one. That's when they actually did they job and used legit samples.
The polling margins were rather consistent from about a month out with one brief widening in mid-October. In fact, they were more accurate the week before the election than the day before it.
This post was edited on 1/18/17 at 8:42 pm
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