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re: Is nationalism the tool to accelerate globalism?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:39 pm to SirWinston
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:39 pm to SirWinston
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It can be delayed and stalled and modified to be the least oppressive yoke possible through Patriotic resistance.
globalism isn't the oppressive yoke, capitalism is. MATE.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:40 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Shoulda got a smart phone, not a dumb phone....
I can't here you....
ha ha, fricking phone.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:44 pm to SirWinston
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Nationalism is tribal and pure and real and has existed as long as man has existed.
The concept of nations (nation-states) as we currently understand them is very, very new in human history. So how the hell is nationalism as old as mankind?
Maybe you mean something else.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:44 pm to mahdragonz
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The rise of France's LePen and keeping France "French" as a nationalism foundation makes me think it's really a tool to accelerate globalism.
What does it mean to be French or American? There isn't a single, unanimous point of view.
There will never be consensus, so people will debate it.
So the identity can never be resolved.
People then will say, I may not be "French" but I am a human on this globe.
It creates an identity that individuals align with over arbitrary borders of countries.
Silly boy no! The tool/scheme was the Progs/Libs infiltrating every nook and cranny of the MSM and academia. I don't know if it was a grand plan or just shite house luck but once they got control of those two things it only took 2 generations of indoctrination to FUBAR this country!
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:46 pm to Bass Tiger
Deep in the Deep State's Washington DC way of ruling you and me, no matter what we want instead.
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"State within a state is a political situation in a country when an internal organ ("deep state"), such as the armed forces and civilian authorities (intelligence agencies, police, administrative agencies and branches of governmental bureaucracy)."
"That does not respond to the civilian political leadership. Although the state within the state can be conspiratorial in nature, the Deep State can also take the form of entrenched unelected career civil servants acting in a non-conspiratorial manner, to further their own interests (e.g., job security, enhanced power and authority, pursuit of ideological goals and objectives, and the general growth of their agency) and in opposition to the policies of elected officials, by obstructing, resisting, and subverting the policies and directives of elected officials. The term, like many in politics, derives from the Greek language (???t?? e? ???te?, kratos en kratei, later adopted into Latin as imperium in imperio[1] or status in statu)."
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(Redirected from Deep state)
"State within a state is a political situation in a country when an internal organ ("deep state"), such as the armed forces and civilian authorities (intelligence agencies, police, administrative agencies and branches of governmental bureaucracy)."
"That does not respond to the civilian political leadership. Although the state within the state can be conspiratorial in nature, the Deep State can also take the form of entrenched unelected career civil servants acting in a non-conspiratorial manner, to further their own interests (e.g., job security, enhanced power and authority, pursuit of ideological goals and objectives, and the general growth of their agency) and in opposition to the policies of elected officials, by obstructing, resisting, and subverting the policies and directives of elected officials. The term, like many in politics, derives from the Greek language (???t?? e? ???te?, kratos en kratei, later adopted into Latin as imperium in imperio[1] or status in statu)."
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:48 pm to mahdragonz
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That is ---technically true-- but every civilization who embraced nationalism fell apart.
That is a weird (and wrong) phrase. I like a certain degree of internationalism in our politics, but virtually all of the most successful countries and empires in history were extremely nationalistic - to a degree that would probably shock post-modern sensibilities.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:58 pm to Navytiger74
Tribalism obviously begat Nationalism though.
A lot of "common sense" behaviours that our ancestors practised are coming back into vogue and nationalism/tribalism fits that pattern.
Diet / Exercise / Family Unit / Borders
A lot of "common sense" behaviours that our ancestors practised are coming back into vogue and nationalism/tribalism fits that pattern.
Diet / Exercise / Family Unit / Borders
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 4/28/17 at 3:11 pm to SirWinston
quote:Of course humans are tribal, social creatures who seek out mutually beneficial associations, often explicitly to the exclusion of "others" or outsiders. But tribal behaviors that naturally make sense for a tribe, a congregation, or a community of like-minded, mutually interested people do not and should not carry over to large, legal/political entities which bind together strangers who often have little in common and whose interests are often non-aligned or even competing--like states. We don't "experience" our status as members of a nation the way we do our membership in close and sometimes self-selected cohorts. And we should be capable of reasoning that everything and everyone who isn't in our group isn't necessarily the threat our ancestors would have been wise to perceive them as.
Tribalism obviously begat Nationalism though.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 3:12 pm to mahdragonz
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Give an example of an American nationalist idea?
We're too young for that. The USA was formed in 1776. The colonies had been here only about 150 years before that.
The USA was created by British ex-pats, so I guess our nationalism would have to be tied to them. Of course, lots of others came in -- Africans, Germans, Poles, Swedes, Italians, etc. But all of them more or less conformed with the culture already here. Except for the Africans, all of the immigrants looked like the original British settlers and came from similar cultures. About the only difference was the language.
Over the centuries, our culture has become pan-European since we are today mostly a mongrelized European nation. There's no one of any pure ethnicity (when I say ethnicity, I mean in the sense of "pure German" or "pure Irish.") If your family has been here for more than a couple generations, this will be true.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 3:14 pm to Navytiger74
I know this is a pretty glass-heavy trajectory to throw a stone, but I'm chuckling at the earnest wall of text in response to Alex Jones pictures
Posted on 4/28/17 at 3:17 pm to mahdragonz
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That is ---technically true-- but every civilization who embraced nationalism fell apart.
It's been a negative for thousand of years.
So we need nationalism to take steroids and become globalism and that will make things better?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 3:39 pm to Iosh
quote:I can't view the pics. Had no idea what they were.
I know this is a pretty glass-heavy trajectory to throw a stone, but I'm chuckling at the earnest wall of text in response to Alex Jones pictures
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