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I'm looking for 12 million fellow Americans
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:16 am
.... to start underpaying our taxes by 30%.
* There will be too many to catch us all. So, why bother?
* if we do it for five years without getting caught, it will have been long enough that we can ignore that the law has been broken.
* We can "come out of the shadows" and proudly proclaim that we gave ourselves a tax cut, without Congress approving. Oh, and the rest of you, that paid your taxes dutifully.... Hahaha suckers!!
* not paying taxes is "who we are as Americans." Our country was founded on not paying oppressive taxes.
* There will be too many to catch us all. So, why bother?
* if we do it for five years without getting caught, it will have been long enough that we can ignore that the law has been broken.
* We can "come out of the shadows" and proudly proclaim that we gave ourselves a tax cut, without Congress approving. Oh, and the rest of you, that paid your taxes dutifully.... Hahaha suckers!!
* not paying taxes is "who we are as Americans." Our country was founded on not paying oppressive taxes.
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:17 am to Taxing Authority
Or we could become democrat politicians and not have to worry about it at all.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:19 am to Taxing Authority
GOP has congress now. Maybe they'll do something about it...but I think (like many here here) they prefer to lose and complain about it.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:31 am to a want
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(like many here here) they prefer to lose and complain about it.
You so nailed. I mean, i know that i'd much rather have more of my money taken out of paycheck as long as i get to complain about it on the internet...
dumbass
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:34 am to a want
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GOP has congress now. Maybe they'll do something about it...but I think (like many here here) they prefer to lose and complain about it.
GOP is going to do nothing on immigration except yell loudly. The base cannot stomach any reform except building a wall at the border (idiotic).
leadership knows this and they are going to get out played by obama.
obama is probably praying for the republicans to start impeachment hearings over this. I am sure HRC is also praying they do it too.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:35 am to Hawkeye95
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The base cannot stomach any reform
what needs to be reformed?
Can you be specific?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:40 am to CptBengal
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what needs to be reformed?
Can you be specific?
we have untold millions of people here that are not documented. This causes them to regularly break the law - drive without a license, not have auto insurance, fake SSN/stolen SSN, not enroll their children in school, work without paying taxes - this pushes a burden on other citizens and encourages them to break other laws.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:40 am to Hawkeye95
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GOP is going to do nothing on immigration except yell loudly. The base cannot stomach any reform
This.
GOP politicians are stuck between Traditional Big Business/ Chamber of Commerce type Republicans who like the enthusiastic immigrant workforce & their Xenophobic base.
They wish they could actually just ignore the issue.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:42 am to a want
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GOP has congress now. Maybe they'll do something about it...but I think (like many here here) they prefer to lose and complain about it.
Obama pretty much did that last night, no? He had control over Congress for two years. Rather than do something his way through a Congress he controlled or rather than work with the proposals of a Congress he did not control, he took the opportunity to do what is essentially just a chess move in a larger political game spawned by the epic loss of his ideology in the most recent election. He used the platform to blame Republicans for not doing with him what he could have done without them.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:44 am to Hawkeye95
quote:Maybe they shouldn't be here in the first place? I mean.... If they don't want to break the law...
This causes them to regularly break the law - drive without a license, not have auto insurance, fake SSN/stolen SSN, not enroll their children in school, work without paying taxes - this pushes a burden on other citizens and encourages them to break other laws.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:47 am to Taxing Authority
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Maybe they shouldn't be here in the first place? I mean.... If they don't want to break the law...
right, but they are here, and they aren't going to just turnaround and go home. And there is no way we could actually deport all of them, identifying them would be a problem and it would require massive facilities to process and send them out.
so what are you going to do? ignore the problem? I guess that is the GOP strategy.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:50 am to Taxing Authority
You're late to the party. Taxes, credit cards, whatever. I can't in good conscience give up my money to things like that. That would only be enabling a crooked and out of control governmental/financial racket and serve to encourage more of the same. Anybody that plays by their rules is a schmuck.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:02 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:So... Make their life easier? Makes sense. We basically accommodating their ability to break the law. Great plan!
right, but they are here, and they aren't going to just turnaround and go home. And there is no way we could actually deport all of them,
I mean, the most difficult part of holding out on taxes is payroll withholding. We should stop that to make our tax evasion easier. Makes total sense.
quote:We could start enforcing the law. I don't think anyone is asking to unring the bell. But... doing more of what caused this problem to exist (failing to enforce existing law) ... seems like a silly solution. And quite frankly, worse than doing nothing...
so what are you going to do? ignore the problem?
The idea that the president presenting a sh*tty plan, places the burden on the GOP to present a perfect plan is equally silly. The false premise being that doing something stupid > doing nothing. That isn't the case.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:02 pm to Hawkeye95
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we have untold millions of people here that are not documented
Then they should be deported.
That's the law, right?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:04 pm to Hawkeye95
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And there is no way we could actually deport all of them, identifying them would be a problem and it would require massive facilities to process and send them out.
Really? They have no ID so they should be easy to determine.
Put them on a bus and drive to mexico
ETA: this is too difficult for fedgov, but HC isnt? Lololol
This post was edited on 11/21/14 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:05 pm to Hawkeye95
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right, but they are here, and they aren't going to just turnaround and go home.
Not without incentive.
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And there is no way we could actually deport all of them,
You don't have to.
1. Start fining the frick out of businesses that hire illegals.
2. Doing sweeps of neighborhoods known to have high populations of illegals will chase out many more than you can ever catch.
3. Create a job-matching program for Central & South Americans where businesses can bring in temp employment from those countries (but they would be responsible for transportation & housing of those temp workers)
Problem solved. #Bard2016
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:11 pm to Hawkeye95
"not documented", the correct term is illegal,that means it is against the law, try being accurate, PC just means PURE CRAP.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:18 pm to Taxing Authority
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We could start enforcing the law. I don't think anyone is asking to unring the bell. But... doing more of what caused this problem to exist (failing to enforce existing law) ... seems like a silly solution. And quite frankly, worse than doing nothing...
so you agree with me? The republican base cannot stomach any reform.
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Then they should be deported.
That's the law, right?
You think it would be easy to round up 20M people, put them on buses and send them back to mexico? It would be a logistical nightmare. you would have to find temp housing, process them, and not to mention you would have to give them an option to prove that they are citizen, so likely some sort of hearing.
Its just not feasible.
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They have no ID so they should be easy to determine.
So you walk around asking everyone to show their ID? Is that your plan?
Who does it, local police? what do the local police do when they find them? Where do they keep them, who picks them up, who processes them and sends them on their way?
No surprise, you haven't thought about the logistical nightmare this is. Not to mention once they leave, what are the host countries going to do with them?
Glad to see that you too agree with my premise that the GOP base cannot stomach any reform.
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1. Start fining the frick out of businesses that hire illegals.
This IMHO is the ONLY way to stop the flow of immigrants. Not only fine them but actually send business owners to jail if they are repeat offenders.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:25 pm to CptBengal
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Put them on a bus and drive to mexico
The German was pretty good at forcibly rounding up tens of millions of people and shipping them across boarders. Maybe take a page from their book?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:29 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Not what I said AT ALL. The idea that doing something stupid is worse than doing nothing. Not that doing nothing is a great idea, but it's better than making it worse. And it's clearly better than doing MORE of what created the problem in the first place!
so you agree with me? The republican base cannot stomach any reform.
"We have to do something" is NOT an argument of merit.
quote:Did I say that?
You think it would be easy to round up 20M people
quote:That isn't how one would go about eliminating them. You do it ONE-AT A TIME. When you catch them, you deport them. The idea that you must simultaneously catch all of them is a false premise.
It would be a logistical nightmare. you would have to find temp housing, process them, and not to mention you would have to give them an option to prove that they are citizen, so likely some sort of hearing.
(I didn't make the other things you quoted...)
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