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ItNeverRains
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Franklin, TN
Member since Oct 2007
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If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence

He would have been found guilty

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Linked definition. Thoughts? Lawyers?


Y.A. Tittle
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re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
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Thoughts? Lawyers?


That generalized definition doesn't tell you much. You need to look for the Florida statute on it. I would, but I don't really care enough to do so.


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doubleb
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Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
You have to post the applicable statue. You don't convict people based on Websters.

To convict Zimmerman I think you would have to show that beyond a reasonable doubt Zimmerman initiated the physical altercation.

That is the key.

Now I'm no attorney, and maybe following someone could be determined as a reason to instigate a fight; but I think that's way out there. But following someone is not enough IMHO to force a PHYSICAL confrontation. Maybe an argument, but not a fight.


90proofprofessional
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Member since Mar 2004
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re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
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you would have to show that beyond a reasonable doubt Zimmerman initiated the physical altercation

if there's an applicable florida law

and couldn't the word "initiated" do a lot of work on that one? i'd assume that alleged pursuing or stalking wouldn't count. would admitted pursuing or stalking count?


CarrolltonTiger
LSU Fan
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
46984 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
What was the reckless act that caused the death?

To my understanding there was none before he was attacked by Trayvon. His shooting Trayvon was not accidental it was an intentional act of self-defense.


C
LSU Fan
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Dec 2007
23184 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
What about private guards? How would such laws affect them as they are there to investigate break- ins and alarms.


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Five0
USA Fan
Member since Dec 2009
7063 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
No. Not in my local area.


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ItNeverRains
LSU Fan
Franklin, TN
Member since Oct 2007
7692 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
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You have to post the applicable statue. You don't convict people based on Websters.


Based on not taking 911 advice and following TM, he was negligent and gave TM the opportunity to escalate the situation.

I understand thats no reason for TM to bash GZ's head into concrete, but GZ did perhaps give TM "fight or flight"arguement. He did not know who this guy was following him.


90proofprofessional
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Member since Mar 2004
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re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
"giving someone the opportunity to escalate" a situation pales in comparison to deciding to hit/pin/keep hitting someone, if you're talking about liability for this type of situation.

obviously.

in no case should such a reaction be considered reasonable for what gz was doing


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USMCTiger03
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Member since Sep 2007
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re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
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Based on not taking 911 advice and following TM


STUPID!!!!


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jamboybarry
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I Putt Out
Member since Feb 2011
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re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
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Based on not taking 911 advice


Exactly


cssamerican
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Mar 2011
2643 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
The best argument the state had was GZ didn't look like a guy beat for 45 seconds in the face. No broken teeth, no gashes on his face, no broken bones. The state should have demonstrated how bad a man can damage another man's face in that time in a ground and pound situation. They did a poor job of showing that... They might have gotten something if the jury felt he over reacted by a considerable margin. Or lied about how long the beating was.


Scoop
LSU Fan
Ecuador
Member since Sep 2005
30828 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
He did not commit a crime before the confrontation and based on the verdict nor did he afterwards.

Again, on multiple threads, I am losing my faith in humanity.
This post was edited on 7/16 at 7:47 pm


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C
LSU Fan
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Dec 2007
23184 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
Yeah the state lost all credibility trying to argue against the most obvious way the fight happened. It still would have been difficult to prove he wasn't of the mind he needed to shoot the gun to protect his life but it would have been a more sane case.


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Mizzeaux
Missouri Fan
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Member since Jun 2012
13195 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
So the implication is that you can't follow a black kid without expecting a physical confrontation?
This post was edited on 7/16 at 8:48 pm


ItNeverRains
LSU Fan
Franklin, TN
Member since Oct 2007
7692 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
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So the implication is that you can't follow a black kid without expecting a physical confrontation?


I'm saying the prosecution could have made a much stronger case of criminal negligence vs. 2nd degree murder based on facts. 2nd degree was a political stunt not consistent with the law, so a circus show was inevitable.

Coupled with the fact it was an all female jury, my opinion is negligence was a winnable case, 2nd was not.


Mizzeaux
Missouri Fan
5806 Calle Tartak
Member since Jun 2012
13195 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
I'm just saying that the implication of negligence is incumbent upon the fact that you can't expect to follow a black kid because you should expect to be beaten if you do.

You should be able to follow anybody without the expectation of being beaten. His prudence would have been to stay in the car because black people can't be followed.

According to many, George Zimmerman should have stayed in his car. Why? Because Trayvon Martin is black. Why else would George Zimmerman stay in the car instead of keeping an eye on what he thought was previously a non-violent home burglary suspect except because he was black?

The only reason that anyone will ever come up with all boils down to the fact that Trayvon was black, which is the most racist belief that will ever occur in this case. You can follow a person without the expectation that you'll be attacked, because that's what happens is most cases.
This post was edited on 7/16 at 9:31 pm


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trackfan
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
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To my understanding there was none before he was attacked by Trayvon. His shooting Trayvon was not accidental it was an intentional act of self-defense.

Why do you accept Zimmerman's version of events verbatim? After all, he has been caught in a few lies.


trackfan
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
Why is it that Zimmerman's fans seem to reject the possibility that Zimmerman might have initiated the fight and Martin might have feared for his life when Zimmerman was following him?


idlewatcher
LSU Fan
Houston
Member since Jan 2012
11867 posts

re: If Zimmerman had been tried for criminal negligence
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Based on not taking 911 advice and following TM,


Didn't realize they were the legal authority. Thanks for pointing this out.


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