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Huge SCOTUS Case Today About Gerrymandering!

Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:08 am
Posted by fouldeliverer
Lannisport
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:08 am
This will be the first case about gerrymandering in over a decade, when Vieth v. Jubelirer deeply divided the court. Four justices -Justice Antonin Scalia, joined by then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Justices Sandra Day O’Connor and Clarence Thomas stated that the court should never review partisan gerrymandering cases as it is too difficult to determine influence. Four other justices – Justices John Paul Stevens, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and Stephen Breyer – disagreed. Kennedy agreed with the latter. Though they didn't decide in regards to that case, they left the door open to future cases. The future is now, as Gill v. Whitford will be argued today. This case is about the redistricting plan passed by Wisconsin’s Republican-controlled legislature in 2011.

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The plan was amazingly on target. In the next election in 2012, Republicans, carried only a minority of the state vote — 48.6 percent — but, as the GOP map designers had privately predicted, Republicans still won close to two-thirds of the state assembly seats, a 60-to-39 seat majority.


This ruling wouldn't only affect Wisconsin though, it could invalidate districts in up to 20 different states.

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In the last two decades, the GOP has greatly increased and entrenched its dominance in the state legislatures and Congress through the use of partisan redistricting. The GOP now has control of state legislatures in 32 states, covering 61 percent of the population, while Democrats control just 13 state legislatures, covering 28 percent of the population.


Mathematecians created the effeciency gap method to try to determine how much partisan gerrymandering played a part in redistricting.

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The efficiency gap is simply the difference between the parties' respective wasted votes in an election, divided by the total number of votes cast. ... When a party gerrymanders a state, it tries to maximize the wasted votes for the opposing party while minimizing its own, thus producing a large efficiency gap


Links:
Scotus Blog
Cornell Legal Information Institute
NYT
Economist
More Perfect Podcast
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:10 am to
Huge MISTAKE Posting This On The Wrong Board!
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:13 am to
Are you a fricking moron?
Posted by Steadyhands
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:14 am to
Accidentally upvoted. your post is on the wrong board. Hopefully admin will fix. Some political stuff is fine here on OT. This is deeply political. Gtfo
Posted by Pectus
Internet
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:14 am to
SCOTUS,

I'm really happy for you and Imma let you finish,

but gerrymandering is one of the greatest gerunds of all time.



OF ALL TIME!
Posted by fouldeliverer
Lannisport
Member since Nov 2008
13538 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:14 am to
Where else should I post it, the conspiracy board masquerading as a Poli board?

Those guys are too busy trying to find the second shooter on the fourth floor to actually care about things that matter.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 7:17 am
Posted by Lord_Ford
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Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:17 am to
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Where else should I post it


Literally anywhere but here
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:18 am to
Wrong board a-hole
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16305 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:19 am to
Why don't we have a standard size square to draw districts?
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51236 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:20 am to
quote:

Where else should I post it, the conspiracy board masquerading as a Poli board?


Yes.
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:27 am to
I really hate gerrymandering . To me, district lines must be drawn using country/parish lines. The only exception would be if a district was wholly inside a single county/parish, then you can get creative. But that's it.
Posted by fouldeliverer
Lannisport
Member since Nov 2008
13538 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:28 am to
quote:


Why don't we have a standard size square to draw districts?



Because that's not how people live. The population isn't divided up into nice even squares.
Posted by fouldeliverer
Lannisport
Member since Nov 2008
13538 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:29 am to
quote:

I really hate gerrymandering . To me, district lines must be drawn using country/parish lines. The only exception would be if a district was wholly inside a single county/parish, then you can get creative. But that's it.



Can't do that because of Baker v Carr. One person, one vote. Rural counties would have an extreme disproportionate amount of power due to population density.
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
35348 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:33 am to
Although it is the wrong board, you're right about some of the lunatics on PT. I just went over there and some people suggest this is the start of a new American civil war. Good God, there are some crazy frickers there.
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:33 am to
Can't you lump multiple counties into one district , though? I'm fine with that idea. I just want district lines to follow county lines even it it's more than one county

Eta I can't stand those districts that are 1 mile wide and 100 miles long.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 7:34 am
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62721 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:35 am to
I like Gerry Raferty better than Gerrymandering
Posted by TigerGman
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11174 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:36 am to
quote:

Where else should I post it


Post it up your arse, but don't post it here...
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:43 am to
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg


I hate that fricking bitch.
Posted by fouldeliverer
Lannisport
Member since Nov 2008
13538 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:45 am to
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quote: Ruth Bader Ginsburg I hate that fricking bitch.


Is it because you are antisemitic or a misogynist?
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:49 am to
Hard for me to see any possible way gerrymandering is unconstitutional. Party affiliations change all the time. Being a Democrat is not the same as being black. You're going to see a plurality opinion holding that the claim is justiciable but gerrymandering is constitutional, and you're going to see three big league melts in dissent by Ginsberg, Sotomayor and Breyer.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 8:05 am
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