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Layabout
UNO Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2011
8548 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger

They run a secular enterprise and employ secular people so let them abide by secular law. Render unto Caesar.

It's not as if it's an order of nuns peddling their crafts.


buddhavista
Member since Jul 2012
3543 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
I would be curious if people would support an atheist who was against breeding not covering pregnancy services.


drexyl
LSU Fan
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
15661 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
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I am willing to bet that any of these companies objecting to it are doing it on political grounds, not religious.
you'd lose that bet.


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Fat Bastard
LA-Lafayette Fan
Paradise
Member since Mar 2009
18933 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
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I loathe hobby lobby. Why? well the lines are ridiculous. I don't like they are closed on sundays.




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The Easter Bunny
Georgia Tech Fan
Member since Jan 2005
42639 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
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I would be curious if people would support an atheist who was against breeding not covering pregnancy services.


It isn't like people are not free to buy insurance from other carries. You do not have to take the company health care plan as your sole provider. Or you can choose to work somewhere else

I'm all for people having choices, and if business owners want to make it so people do not want to work for them that's fine. I can open a competing business that does offer those services/benefits.


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tiger1014
LSU Fan
Member since Jan 2011
10502 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
We should all refuse to follow laws we don't agree with that have been upheld by courts. Think of what a great society that would be!


udtiger
LSU Fan
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2006
30334 posts
Online

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
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that have been upheld by courts


Here's the problem, this issue is still unsettled and is the subject of ongoing litigation. HL sought a stay/injunction against forcing them to buy it while the case was pending, which was denied.


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GumboPot
LSU Fan
Saints Fan
Member since Mar 2009
30665 posts
Online

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
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espite risking potential fines of up to $1.3 million per day.


HIgh risk high reward (not only for HL but for everyone other conscientious objector too).

In terms of eternity (which the owner obviously believes in) this is just a picosecond blip on the radar. At least that is the view of most believers in God. This is a bigger fight than a fight against one political side, it's a fight for good. This is the perspective I see the owner of HL coming from. The secular left is too blind to see this perspective.


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Godfather1
Army Fan
SE Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
35850 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
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Posted by LSURussian quote: I loathe hobby lobby.


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Who cares?


This x 1000.

This Buddhavista character may or may not be Otto or The Housemate, but he sure is every bit as moronic.


EST
LSU Fan
Investigating
Member since Oct 2003
14917 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
Screw the United States government. They are getting dangerous for us.


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jcole4lsu
Virginia Fan
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
27845 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
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This Buddhavista character may or may not be Otto or The Housemate, but he sure is every bit as moronic.

what on earth?

Buddha is far more pragmatic than 99% of this board. Comparing him to Otto is fricking shameful.


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thetigerman
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2006
1670 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
Well I guess we'll be shopping at Michael's from now on. Unless they pull a similar stunt.
This post was edited on 12/28 at 12:00 pm


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CtotheVrzrbck
Arkansas Fan
Tulsey Town
Member since Dec 2007
26203 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
Hobby Lobby is in quite a pickle. They don't support the morning after pill, yet they do hire a bunch of whores.

College chicks work cheap.


dewster
Vanderbilt Fan
Pittsburgh
Member since Aug 2006
10156 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
:)

No one is taking their pills away. They can buy their own pills.


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kingbob
LSU Fan
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
23862 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
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Maybe they object to anything outside of Natural Childbirth on religious grounds... Would you allow them to carve out coverage for epidurals?

Sure. As long as employees were informed of the policy. Nobody is forcing anybody to work at Hobby Lobby. Why do you hate freedom?


Exactly!!!! If you want health care that covers what you want it to cover, either buy that coverage yourself or work for a company that provides that coverage. Time for my related csb.

My oldest brother had cancer (brain tumor) when he was 5. My father was fortunate to work for a company that covered in their health plan most of the treatments he needed at the time AND much of the continued treatments he needed after recovery (annual check-ups, growth hormone shots, hearing aids, ect.)

My dad also had offers to work for other companies that would have paid him a much higher salary and offered a better pension. However, he knew that if he left his company, he wouldn't have a plan that covered all of those expensive treatments. In other words, the market worked. My father worked the job that had the plan he wanted that fit his needs rather than demanding that all companies pay for that treatment no matter what.


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Joshjrn
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
7040 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
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I would be curious if people would support an atheist who was against breeding not covering pregnancy services.


I would


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Zach
LSU Fan
Member since May 2005
70714 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
I went to Hobby Lobby last year to get a some very old pictures framed with a background. They did a good job at a reasonable price. I don't care if they worship Satan.


Rex
LSU Fan
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
60488 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
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They run a secular enterprise and employ secular people so let them abide by secular law. Render unto Caesar. It's not as if it's an order of nuns peddling their crafts.

That's correct. They enjoy the advantages of incorporation so they should be forced to abide the rules common to all such corporations. To grant them a waiver would be governmental favoritism of their particular version of religion, which would be a constitutional breach.

Their contention that their religious tenets are being violated is a stretch to begin with... they, themselves, are not making the choice to use morning after pills. Their objection to not having to pay for such coverage is akin to a pacifist refusing to pay taxes because he views killing by soldiers immoral.


Rex
LSU Fan
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
60488 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
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I went to Hobby Lobby last year to get a some very old pictures framed with a background. They did a good job at a reasonable price. I don't care if they worship Satan.

I like Hobby Lobby... I go there often. I won't hold this against them.


Lsut81
USA Fan
Member since Jun 2005
66238 posts

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger
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To grant them a waiver would be governmental favoritism of their particular version of religion, which would be a constitutional breach.


Oh, you mean how there were over 250 waivers granted by the administration as payback to unions and the likes?



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