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Here's How It Went Down (Russiagate)
Posted on 7/15/17 at 9:26 am
Posted on 7/15/17 at 9:26 am
1) Russiagate is real and is not a made up story by Obama and Hillary.
2) However, what the Dems are missing is that Trump and his campaign had nothing whatsoever to do with it. There was no collusion.
3) For Obama and Hillary to make this up would take a lot of planning. There's no way they could have predicted all of these wild twists and turns we've seen over the past few months. Remember, no one expected Hillary to lose, so why exactly would they even bother making this up in the first place?
4) Trump didn't collude with Putin or any other Russians. However, someone is trying to make it look like he did. Who is this someone? My guess is that it's the Russians themselves. They want to make it seem as if Trump and Putin are bros and that the two have secretly hatched a plan for world domination. Why would Putin want to send this impression? Because it weakens the U.S. and makes our European allies distrust us. That's exactly what Putin wants; If he can convince the world that he and Trump are in cahoots, then Putin wins. He knows no one will ever Trust Trump, which essentially weakens America's leverage on the world stage.
5) The Dems over here simply picked up on all this Russian propaganda and ran with it for their own reasons (to cover for Hillary's loss and to frick with Trump's agenda).
6) Putin's plan from the start was to make Americans believe the election was hacked. If that didn't work, his plan was to simply sew tons of disinformation about Trump and Hillary in the American press. He especially wanted to character assassinate whichever candidate won the election. With Hillary he just needed to release some pizzagate e-mails, but with Trump he needed to make up fake shite. The fact that "Muh Russia" became stronger after the election is not because Hillary made it up, but because Putin had to destroy Trump. Remember, no one expected Trump to win and Putin had put all his resources into destroying Hillary. After Trump won, he needed to get the Trump propaganda rolling. Of course, he had a lot of help from Hillary and the American media.
7) That's where the "dossier" comes in. The more we learn about it, the more certain I am that the Russians themselves wrote the fricking thing. Christopher Steele was their useful idiot (I think at this point Steele realizes he was duped). The Russians only needed to somehow make the dossier public, which was easy enough. Just let the never Trump people like McCain know it existed and they'd do the rest.
8) Then there's the Kushner "wanted a secret back channel" story. Where did our IC learn about this? Oh, that's right, they learned about it by listening to Russians talk among themselves on insecure phone lines. Sorry, but the Russians aren't retarded -- they KNEW those conversations were being picked up by NSA. That was the whole point in having them in the first place. They wanted to make our IC think that Kushner and Trump were over there communicating with secret decoder rings to Kremlin headquarters. And, of course, Obama's IC bought it.
9) And now we have the Russian lawyer story. Again, this whole incident looks like a setup, just like the dossier and the Kushner deal. It's pretty clear that lawyer chick was sent over here by Putin to try and influence Trump in some way. I think the plan was to make a deal: You promise to repeal the Maginstky Act and we give you Hillary dirt in return. Only problem was Don, Jr. wasn't satisfied with the dirt they were offering so the meeting was cut short.
This meeting did two things: 1) It was worth a shot to get the Maginstky Act repealed. 2) If that failed, then it puts Trump in a compromising position later. It would be impossible for Trump to deny that his campaign met with "Russians" and not just any Russians but shady lawyers who are offering Hillary dirt straight from the Kremlin. It would really fuel the "collusion" narrative.
TL;DR -- Russia is behind Russiagate. Their goal is to make Trump look compromised. Obama's IC learned about it during the campaign but didn't put the pieces together. Instead they believed Trump really was colluding and didn't consider the possibility that the whole thing was Russian disinformation. Obama and his people scrambled to catch Trump in the act and stumbled into potentially illegal territory with their surveillance of his campaign. This is where all the unmasking and FISA warrants come in. It's possible the Obama admin even tried to set Trump up in order to gather enough evidence to obtain FISA warrants. Carter Page was a CIA operative sent to infiltrate the Trump campaign and see if the Russia stuff was real.
2) However, what the Dems are missing is that Trump and his campaign had nothing whatsoever to do with it. There was no collusion.
3) For Obama and Hillary to make this up would take a lot of planning. There's no way they could have predicted all of these wild twists and turns we've seen over the past few months. Remember, no one expected Hillary to lose, so why exactly would they even bother making this up in the first place?
4) Trump didn't collude with Putin or any other Russians. However, someone is trying to make it look like he did. Who is this someone? My guess is that it's the Russians themselves. They want to make it seem as if Trump and Putin are bros and that the two have secretly hatched a plan for world domination. Why would Putin want to send this impression? Because it weakens the U.S. and makes our European allies distrust us. That's exactly what Putin wants; If he can convince the world that he and Trump are in cahoots, then Putin wins. He knows no one will ever Trust Trump, which essentially weakens America's leverage on the world stage.
5) The Dems over here simply picked up on all this Russian propaganda and ran with it for their own reasons (to cover for Hillary's loss and to frick with Trump's agenda).
6) Putin's plan from the start was to make Americans believe the election was hacked. If that didn't work, his plan was to simply sew tons of disinformation about Trump and Hillary in the American press. He especially wanted to character assassinate whichever candidate won the election. With Hillary he just needed to release some pizzagate e-mails, but with Trump he needed to make up fake shite. The fact that "Muh Russia" became stronger after the election is not because Hillary made it up, but because Putin had to destroy Trump. Remember, no one expected Trump to win and Putin had put all his resources into destroying Hillary. After Trump won, he needed to get the Trump propaganda rolling. Of course, he had a lot of help from Hillary and the American media.
7) That's where the "dossier" comes in. The more we learn about it, the more certain I am that the Russians themselves wrote the fricking thing. Christopher Steele was their useful idiot (I think at this point Steele realizes he was duped). The Russians only needed to somehow make the dossier public, which was easy enough. Just let the never Trump people like McCain know it existed and they'd do the rest.
8) Then there's the Kushner "wanted a secret back channel" story. Where did our IC learn about this? Oh, that's right, they learned about it by listening to Russians talk among themselves on insecure phone lines. Sorry, but the Russians aren't retarded -- they KNEW those conversations were being picked up by NSA. That was the whole point in having them in the first place. They wanted to make our IC think that Kushner and Trump were over there communicating with secret decoder rings to Kremlin headquarters. And, of course, Obama's IC bought it.
9) And now we have the Russian lawyer story. Again, this whole incident looks like a setup, just like the dossier and the Kushner deal. It's pretty clear that lawyer chick was sent over here by Putin to try and influence Trump in some way. I think the plan was to make a deal: You promise to repeal the Maginstky Act and we give you Hillary dirt in return. Only problem was Don, Jr. wasn't satisfied with the dirt they were offering so the meeting was cut short.
This meeting did two things: 1) It was worth a shot to get the Maginstky Act repealed. 2) If that failed, then it puts Trump in a compromising position later. It would be impossible for Trump to deny that his campaign met with "Russians" and not just any Russians but shady lawyers who are offering Hillary dirt straight from the Kremlin. It would really fuel the "collusion" narrative.
TL;DR -- Russia is behind Russiagate. Their goal is to make Trump look compromised. Obama's IC learned about it during the campaign but didn't put the pieces together. Instead they believed Trump really was colluding and didn't consider the possibility that the whole thing was Russian disinformation. Obama and his people scrambled to catch Trump in the act and stumbled into potentially illegal territory with their surveillance of his campaign. This is where all the unmasking and FISA warrants come in. It's possible the Obama admin even tried to set Trump up in order to gather enough evidence to obtain FISA warrants. Carter Page was a CIA operative sent to infiltrate the Trump campaign and see if the Russia stuff was real.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 9:27 am to AUstar
Russia gate is not real.
Even your TL;DR version was too long and stupid.
Even your TL;DR version was too long and stupid.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 9:34 am to mr brightside
I have never understood why the Russians supposedly wanted Trump to win. Now that he did I could see them playing the media. At this point they and the media have the same goal, destroying the administration. They sure as Hell are not opposed to what the media is doing. Russia may not have that goal exactly but the media does so Russia can just go along for the ride and let the media do their dirty work more effectively than they have ever been able to do themselves.
The media is doing their bidding more than any American since Ted Kennedy, who famously personally begged them to collude against Reagan.
The media is doing their bidding more than any American since Ted Kennedy, who famously personally begged them to collude against Reagan.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 9:38 am to AUstar
peegate, the DNC and McCain started it. then the 'computer scientist' HRC tweet.
The honeypot Russian fake meeting
All to provide cover for Obama to spy on Trump.
everyone is forgetting that Obama spied on all of the GOP candidates and the SCOTUS, mainly Roberts...
Currently the goal of the DNC GOPe and MSM is to render a sitting President weak and powerless.
The honeypot Russian fake meeting
All to provide cover for Obama to spy on Trump.
everyone is forgetting that Obama spied on all of the GOP candidates and the SCOTUS, mainly Roberts...
Currently the goal of the DNC GOPe and MSM is to render a sitting President weak and powerless.
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 9:41 am
Posted on 7/15/17 at 9:48 am to gthog61
quote:
I have never understood why the Russians supposedly wanted Trump to win.
Yeah, Putin doesn't want the ballistic missiles at his doorstep in Poland that were removed by Obama to be returned as promised by Trump.
Does any one not see this?
Posted on 7/15/17 at 9:54 am to GumboPot
Putin never imagined Trump would win. Still, Putins goal was to discredit Clinton before she took office. The goal of Russia was/is to create chaos. They couldn't of dreamed of a better outcome so far.
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 9:55 am
Posted on 7/15/17 at 9:56 am to Rakim
I thought Drumpf said it was Obama's fault that his little boy got into trouble?!??
Posted on 7/15/17 at 10:00 am to Rakim
quote:Do you have any plans for Trump's second inauguration? I want to hang out that night and console you.
Rakim
Posted on 7/15/17 at 10:00 am to AUstar
To the OP: Your scenario is completely implausible.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 10:14 am to Wolfhound45
The only way Trump would be impeached is if his own party turns on him completely. I think they know that they are toast (DC surrounded until they all resign toast) if they do this...
They may try it after midterms and think they will be in the clear...
I think Trump will be attempted to be JFKed.
They may try it after midterms and think they will be in the clear...
I think Trump will be attempted to be JFKed.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 10:16 am to Halftrack
quote:
I thought Drumpf said it was Obama's fault that his little boy got into trouble?!??
that's still just so funny
Posted on 7/15/17 at 10:55 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:
To the OP: Your scenario is completely implausible.
It's more plausible than the idea of he Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions colluded with Russia
Posted on 7/15/17 at 11:21 am to CoachChappy
What's the line? 'Melt snowflake?' ????
Posted on 7/15/17 at 3:35 pm to gthog61
quote:
I have never understood why the Russians supposedly wanted Trump to win.
Maybe they didn't want either candidate to win. They just wanted to undermine our political process ( not that it could get much more messed up). Stir up some shite by exposing Crooked Hillary and leak false info to the media about Trump.
This new leaker reminds me of Baghdad Bob.
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 7/15/17 at 3:44 pm to mr brightside
quote:
Russia gate is not real.
There is no hope for anyone who still thinks this is a "witch hunt".
Posted on 7/15/17 at 3:47 pm to Rakim
quote:The media and our own intelligence community have been Russia's most valuable allies in all of this, even if they don't know it.
Putin never imagined Trump would win. Still, Putins goal was to discredit Clinton before she took office. The goal of Russia was/is to create chaos. They couldn't of dreamed of a better outcome so far.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 7:45 pm to a want
quote:
here is no hope for anyone who still thinks this is a "witch hunt
It's a witch hunt.
Reality tells me I can hope to be president.
You should visit reality sometime.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:10 am to AUstar
Never thought in a million years I'd agree with Van Jones. But Muh Russians, is a pure nothingburger. There's nothing real there. And I know that because I was cyber security for a state election network during that time and talked to almost all of the others.
Homeland Security / FBI / Obama administration on the other hand...
They were creating this story. Nothing that's happening now surprises me because I knew what they were doing back when they were doing it. The only reason to claim that the Russians were involved based on the Crowdstrike report and russian IP addresses was to create this story. That's not how the Russians actually work if they're hacking you at a state level. Any retard can proxy. And the IP's they wanted us to look for, were there. They were simply browsing the websites. No hacking. They were there so that we'd find them.
Homeland Security / FBI / Obama administration on the other hand...
They were creating this story. Nothing that's happening now surprises me because I knew what they were doing back when they were doing it. The only reason to claim that the Russians were involved based on the Crowdstrike report and russian IP addresses was to create this story. That's not how the Russians actually work if they're hacking you at a state level. Any retard can proxy. And the IP's they wanted us to look for, were there. They were simply browsing the websites. No hacking. They were there so that we'd find them.
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