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Healthcare question....
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:47 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:47 am
Why can we not just abolish the ACA? Why does it have to be replaced immediately with something else? We will just go back to what we had in place before......what am I missing?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:49 am to ndtiger
What about the women and the children?!?!?!
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:50 am to ndtiger
Because millions of people, mostly poor, will lose health insurance. I don't think Republicans care about that, but they do care about the political backlash they could face over it.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:50 am to ndtiger
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Why can we not just abolish the ACA? Why does it have to be replaced immediately with something else?
If they don't replace it with something better then it's political suicide.
quote:
We will just go back to what we had in place before......what am I missing?
That what was before didn't work
I'm in the "healthcare ain't a right" side but everyone can forget 'before'.....it is what it is now
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:52 am to ndtiger
The left has the advantage here in a couple of ways.
If you just blow it up then there is a backlash of whiners (some justified) that you are "leaving people to die in the street".
Also, we don't have 60 votes to simply repeal.
This is the problem with these gov programs. Once you give you cannot take away even if you couldn't afford to give in the first place.
They know this and that's how they consolidate their power by essentially purchasing voting blocks with our money (and theirs). They use our money to defeat us.
That's the most frustrating part for me. Notice, they never tell you that this is the last program or cause they want to do battle over. They need to battle us forever to keep their voters enthused. If you think about it that way, it's really scary.
ETA: I was typing "leaving people to die in the street" while The Spleen was typing nearly the same thing. Called it.
If you just blow it up then there is a backlash of whiners (some justified) that you are "leaving people to die in the street".
Also, we don't have 60 votes to simply repeal.
This is the problem with these gov programs. Once you give you cannot take away even if you couldn't afford to give in the first place.
They know this and that's how they consolidate their power by essentially purchasing voting blocks with our money (and theirs). They use our money to defeat us.
That's the most frustrating part for me. Notice, they never tell you that this is the last program or cause they want to do battle over. They need to battle us forever to keep their voters enthused. If you think about it that way, it's really scary.
ETA: I was typing "leaving people to die in the street" while The Spleen was typing nearly the same thing. Called it.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 8:56 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:53 am to The Spleen
I don't think many people relying on ACA voted trump/republican anyway. Why vote for trump when he said he was going to repeal it?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:54 am to ndtiger
Because of all the many millions and millions and millions and millions of people that WILL DIE!
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:55 am to The Spleen
quote:Health insurance is not health care.
Because millions of people, mostly poor, will lose health insurance. I don't think Republicans care about that, but they do care about the political backlash they could face over it.
They are inundating the ER's around the country with Obamacare. It makes no difference. Takers will take.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:55 am to TrebleHook
This is the main problem with govt. Once it exists, no matter how stupid it is, we feel like it will always have to exist
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:57 am to TrebleHook
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I don't think many people relying on ACA voted trump/republican anyway. Why vote for trump when he said he was going to repeal it?
It's not only about Trump. There are House and Senate republicans in vulnerable positions. The GOP majority in the Senate is razor thin, and the map for 2018 favors them. They could realistically pick up a few seats. That would be in jeopardy with a full repeal with no replacement.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:57 am to ndtiger
The medical and pharma industries have bought as many lawmakers as any industry has. The government is paying for the healthcare of tens of millions of people. That translates into a cash cow of money that goes to those medical and pharma giant executives. Businessmen getting paid; lawmakers getting paid. EASY MONEY.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:58 am to ndtiger
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Why can we not just abolish the ACA? Why does it have to be replaced immediately with something else? We will just go back to what we had in place before......what am I missing?
I believe that is being debated in Washington now. I would assume it has something to do with the majority of Americans who elected these reps and senators not being on board with a repeal, and being rather vocal about it.
I don't understand why we cant have transparency in pricing for healthcare. It is my biggest gripe about the healthcare system. Try to pay after a doctor visit, and they cant even tell you how much it will be? A procedure or treatment plan can be prescribed, but with no regards, or information, as to the cost. Maybe I would be on board with more of the free market approach if I could be told how much things cost prior to, or immediately following, the service provided. Not in the mail 3-4 weeks later.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:00 am to The Spleen
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Because millions of people, mostly poor, will lose health insurance.
All Obama did was cut down the tree leaning over the road knowing full well he would leave it to someone else to clear the tree from the road once it was down.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:47 am to The Spleen
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Because millions of people, mostly poor, will lose health insurance
There's more to it than that. It's not simply an issue of "poor people have insurance, and government wants to take it away".
It's about how those people now have insurance and finding a better method that doesn't completely shaft the middle class with worse coverage for double and triple the premiums.
Logic over emotion.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 9:49 am
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