re: Healthcare is back on the menu, boys

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Healthcare Economists on both the left and the right have floated high risk pools for people like your mom. The problem with them is that they're extremely expensive (they're not really health insurance- the costs aren't spread they're all borne by the unhealthy and thus the system would need huge, constant infusions of federal funds to remain solvent-- its why Trumpcare had the 30% premium penalty and Obamacare the mandate to ensure young healthy consumers are in the system as well as the sick).

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There just has to be some sort of way to better address it.

What about with the opening of healthcare across state lines, have certain insurers who cover certain conditions, with a private (the corresponding specialists, charities, researchers, hospitals, etc.) and public joint venture to share and target resources more efficiently?

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How so? With every negotiation and concession to the HFC Republican whip counts lost a moderate or two- Charlie Dent, Barbara Comstock, David Young, etc.

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And yet the major news stories were about how Trump told the HFC that he didn't care about their details, and Bannon told them that "he hasn't been told what to do since he was 18."

The bill didn't appease the moderates nor the conservatives. It was like crony capitalism: a hybrid that manages to capture the worst of everything.

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and you're acting like they were making it up and celebrating?

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You said it was our straw man (I actually quoted that part), that the MSM wasn't insinuating that the Trump was damaged goods. We were just setting that up as a comeback story?? We didn't create any straw man. In fact some of us said Trump would fix it. And it was his way of negotiating.

But heres a refresher:

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Places like DU, Daily Kos, etc. aside, who was saying (especially in the MSM) that his presidency was over and that healthcare would never be addressed again?

I feel like you guys are creating some weird group-think Strawman to argue some comeback victory or something.

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Then you post Trumps words, and claim it was just good reporting? Either the MSM was saying Trump going forward (with a permanent loss on AHCA) would have a difficult time finding a future win, or they didn't? Thee is no place in that discussion where they allow for a revisit. Just continued failure.

So in summation, yes many on here and in the MSM were gloating that Trump had failed, and wasn't the negotiator he claimed to be

The same folks said Obamacare was here to stay

The same folks said Trump wasn't likely to get other things done because of his failure

I said it wasn't over, and got blasted by both sides, because of the above

And now youre claiming that there wasn't a celebration? And Trumps demise was our straw man? Dude? Speechless

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Did they really think that healthcare was no longer on the agenda?

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no one thought that. There is talk from Graham and Spicer of reaching across the aisle to make up for the conservatives being entrenched in their position.

conservatives position cannot make it in the Senate.

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The House Republican whip, Steve Scalise of Louisiana, said of Democrats, “Their celebration is premature. We are closer to repealing Obamacare than we ever have been before.”

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You don't say? SO your party, who has said for 7 years that their only goal in life is to block the devastating effect of having 30 million more people insured in the United States, cam oh so close to doing what they said they would do when they were in complete and total control???

The GOP is a fricking joke. When your basic ideology is that government is evil and unnecessary it is going to be difficult if not impossible to actually govern once you hit the rocky shores of reality which include the necessity of government.

When your political philosophy is based on a sophmoric opposition to authority and many of your "leaders" claim Ayn Rand impacted on their lives in a positive way when you are suddenly thrust into the role of "the man" you are going to have to pivot. The GOP is unable to do so....take a look at Trump's son in law new position aimed at transforming the government into a business....and understand that he is convinced that the citizens of this nation are the customers of the government....when in fact we are the fricking government. His daddy in law being in office is all the proof anyone will ever need.....

The right simply is not fit to govern anymore than a abortion protestor is equipped to perform a late term abortion.....