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re: Have you ever wondered where that "97% of all scientists" assertion came from?

Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:10 pm to
Posted by Dale51
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:10 pm to
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You are incorrect about where the 97% comes from.

So where did it come from?
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:10 pm to
Probably best to read the entire thread rather than saying "start here." You'd see that it's not a % scientists, it's a % of papers published.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:11 pm to
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So where did it come from?
The paper I linked in the first reply. It's not a thesis and none of the authors are even from UofI.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:13 pm to
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Didn't you know that burning fossil fuels is actually good for the environment?


Thats correct. In the last 70 years or so the Earth has "greened" and the health of humanity has flourished..not in spite of fossil fuels, but because of fossil fuels.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:16 pm to
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:17 pm to
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Didn't you know that burning fossil fuels is actually good for the environment?



A couple of these bad boys make the burning of fossil fuels a drop in the bucket.




Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:18 pm to
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Personally I find the Cook et al., study to be one of the most terrible widely cited applications of social research though.


That^
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:20 pm to
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Thats correct. In the last 70 years or so the Earth has "greened" and the health of humanity has flourished..not in spite of fossil fuels, but because of fossil fuels


That reads like a chicken soup for the soul with no negative effects.

Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:22 pm to
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Right around the same ballpark



All global warming advocates...doing science?...no..compiling articles,many written by the same people or like minded supporters.

Thats not science.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:24 pm to
I just one of them to tell me why I should give a shite about global warming? I thinks its pretty awesome actually. This winter has kicked arse!


More global warming, please!
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:26 pm to
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No matter what methods you use you'll get something above 90%.

Methods of what?..picking published papers?

Almost no one, except the true believers, do more than laugh at "global warming" after Climatgate and all the other related examples of "hoaxing" science.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:29 pm to
Different paper. (There's also a 99% paper, a 94% paper, etc.)
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:37 pm to
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You'd see that it's not a % scientists, it's a % of papers published.


That was part of my point. Hand picked published papers. Climategate went into how the peer review publication system was manipulated.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:41 pm to
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That reads like a chicken soup for the soul with no negative effects.


No..those are the facts.

To simplify things, you can cast all theory and speculation aside and simply look at the environment and quality of life and health of the people who still live in countries where cheap and abundant energy, via fossil fuels, does not exist.
Where is human life healthier? Where is the environment more sustained?
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 5:47 pm
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:44 pm to
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Different paper. (There's also a 99% paper, a 94% paper, etc.)



You don't seem to be able to see what is right in front of your face. Your post claims that 97% of scientists.....and then you claim it's 97% of published papers. Seriously...you don't see the difference??
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:47 pm to
How come no one has ever done a "study" to determine the percentage of pro-climate change scientists who live off government grants?

just no scientific curiosity whatsoever about that one
Posted by CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:47 pm to
Anytime the resident copy pasta specialist, losh, wants to discuss the stats of these "consenus" papers I'm ready...
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:50 pm to
I gotta say man...I always read your posts in climate threads. I am skeptical anytime a politician says a tax will fix something...but you clearly know your stuff and I appreciate the manner in which you present it.














You commie pinko scum.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:50 pm to
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Have you ever wondered where that "97% of all scientists" assertion came from?


OP is too limited in it's criticism of the claim. Members the individual included in the 77 publicly disputed their inclusion
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:22 pm to
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No..those are the facts.


Yea you considered pros and no cons

Or only the things that confirm your bias
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