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Had Lincoln allowed the South to seceded where would the CSA be today?
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:03 am
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:03 am
I think the rest of the US would be better off and economically more prosperous. The economic drain of keeping the south in the union and it's participation in US politics would not happen. And of course we would not have all these problems like the Iraq war, Trump, deficits etc.
Because of segregation by the late 1960's the Confederate States of America would be under global economic sanctions like apartheid South Africa. I think the CSA would be economically somewhat like a bad South American country.
I think Mexico would then build the wall on their side of the border to keep the CSA out.
It's all Lincoln's fault.
Because of segregation by the late 1960's the Confederate States of America would be under global economic sanctions like apartheid South Africa. I think the CSA would be economically somewhat like a bad South American country.
I think Mexico would then build the wall on their side of the border to keep the CSA out.
It's all Lincoln's fault.
This post was edited on 1/30/17 at 11:09 am
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:05 am to axd9142a
quote:In fricking Havana, baby!! Working on their tans!!
Has Lincoln allowed the South to seceded where would the CSA be today?
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:05 am to axd9142a
High cotton baw
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:05 am to axd9142a
They would have eventually crumbled and most likely re-absorbed into the USA. Assuming there would have have just been another war at some point, which is equally likely.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:07 am to axd9142a
hmm, a very large portion of the US energy came from the CSA.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:08 am to axd9142a
Uhh....
What makes you think that free blacks would have stayed in the south after slavery was inevitably ended? Or what makes you think they would have been allowed to stay? That might have made segregation a non-issue if they left for the "friendly" conditions of the "never prejudiced" north. Remember, Rosa Parks was the second black woman to be moved frim her seat. the First took place in the north (Claudette Colvin).
There would have been no reconstruction, so the south's free market economic leanings could have lead to it surpassing its northern counterparts in trade.
You can't sit here and hypothesize because you only know the history written by the victors.
What makes you think that free blacks would have stayed in the south after slavery was inevitably ended? Or what makes you think they would have been allowed to stay? That might have made segregation a non-issue if they left for the "friendly" conditions of the "never prejudiced" north. Remember, Rosa Parks was the second black woman to be moved frim her seat. the First took place in the north (Claudette Colvin).
There would have been no reconstruction, so the south's free market economic leanings could have lead to it surpassing its northern counterparts in trade.
You can't sit here and hypothesize because you only know the history written by the victors.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:09 am to axd9142a
CSA would be a world superpower. The CSA would have constructed a big, beautiful wall to keep the liberal refugees out of Dixie.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:10 am to The Spleen
Slavery would of died its own death due to the Industrial Revolution. The North ended slavery peacefully and the same would of happened in the South. The North did not wind up having apartheid the South would not have either.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:11 am to axd9142a
We would be the greatest nation on Earth
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:11 am to axd9142a
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I think the rest of the US would be better off and economically more prosperous. The economic drain of keeping the south in the union and it's participation in US politics would not happen.
Economic drain? The South was responsible for about 75% of the US exports before the Civil War. The North couldn't afford for the south to secede, that's a big reason why Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:13 am to mofungoo
Yes and probably just like we are now. Slavery was eventually going to end with or without the war. The only difference would have been perhaps the Jim Crow era would have lasted a little longer in an independent CSA.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:16 am to axd9142a
I really have to wonder. Egypt and India were on the verge of replacing the South as a low cost source for high quality cotton.
Also, the world was just decades away from advancements which would make large scale hand picking of cotton and many other major crops (corn, wheat, soybeans, rice, etc) obsolete.
Then, there's the issue of what happens to the Western territories. California was already a state, but both Arizona and New Mexico had opposing Confederate and Union aligned governments claiming legitimacy. Who gets those territories?
Finally, the national government set up by the CSA seems to be far to week to manage disputes between states. It appeared to be too fragile to be sustainable long term, much like the original Articles of Confederation under which the early United States was governed up until 1788.
It seems to me that the Confederacy would have been unsustainable in the long term and likely would have collapsed due to economicand politicsl pressure, and eventually rejoined the U.S. unless they managed to:
A. Diversify their economy
B. Settle the issue of western territories peacefully
C. Create a workable plan for what to do with all of the slaves once they are no longer economically viable
D. Reform their constitution to make it more workable.
Also, the world was just decades away from advancements which would make large scale hand picking of cotton and many other major crops (corn, wheat, soybeans, rice, etc) obsolete.
Then, there's the issue of what happens to the Western territories. California was already a state, but both Arizona and New Mexico had opposing Confederate and Union aligned governments claiming legitimacy. Who gets those territories?
Finally, the national government set up by the CSA seems to be far to week to manage disputes between states. It appeared to be too fragile to be sustainable long term, much like the original Articles of Confederation under which the early United States was governed up until 1788.
It seems to me that the Confederacy would have been unsustainable in the long term and likely would have collapsed due to economicand politicsl pressure, and eventually rejoined the U.S. unless they managed to:
A. Diversify their economy
B. Settle the issue of western territories peacefully
C. Create a workable plan for what to do with all of the slaves once they are no longer economically viable
D. Reform their constitution to make it more workable.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:16 am to axd9142a
I would have had to apply for a work visa before accepting my current position. Or perhaps I could have snuck across the Mason-Dixon line illegally.
I'm just a yank doing a job the rebs won't do themselves. You need me.
I'm just a yank doing a job the rebs won't do themselves. You need me.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:17 am to NikolaiJakov
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hypothesize because you only know the history written by the victors
History is always written by victors. Remember in battle victories are won when God is on your side. And God is always on the side of the righteous and so is history.
Lynching is not a sport, it is murder and keeping human beings chained and buying and selling them like animals is not righteous.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:18 am to diat150
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hmm, a very large portion of the US energy came from the CSA.
It could have come from Canada as well.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:20 am to mofungoo
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The South was responsible for about 75% of the US exports before the Civil War.
But it wasn't a diverse economy. It was basically cotton and tobacco harvested by slaves, and little else. They also had shitty infrastructure.
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The North couldn't afford for the south to secede, that's a big reason why Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union.
True, but that is no indication the South could have survived on their own. Obviously we have the luxury of being able to see how other things played out in the subsequent years, but the Industrial Revolution would have absolutely crushed the CSA economically.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:25 am to axd9142a
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Had Lincoln allowed the South to seceded where would the CSA be today?
Somewhere around here..
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allowed the South to seceded
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:25 am to axd9142a
We'd be on Mars by now
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:26 am to axd9142a
We be interesting in regards to how CSA shifted from slavery model
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