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re: Gun control in Europe is almost total. Hasn't stopped mass shooting attacks like Las Vegas

Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:05 pm to
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43318 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:05 pm to
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But still almost 3 times higher than comparable western economies.



And still statistically insignificant.

Banning firearms of any kind is a solution looking for a problem based on irrational fearmongering.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34928 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:08 pm to
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Thats true, but why change the subject?


Death is death, is it not? To feign outrage over one death while ignoring an equally deadly cause is dumb.
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yet because it is essential to our way of life to get to work, school, home, etc, no one bats an eye


Essential? Cars? We got by for millenia without them. They are not essential at all. We got by without them for thousands of years.

Hell, rational speed limit should be 30. Anything above that Is a death wish.

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am willing to bet that having a gun is not vital to your way of life

Just like having a vehicle that exceeds going 30mph is not vital to your way of life.

Think of the children.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14021 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:08 pm to
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I think everyone agrees that driving can be dangerous, yet because it is essential to our way of life to get to work, school, home, etc, no one bats an eye.


I think everyone can agree that the constitution doesn't have an amendment stating that citizens have a right to transportation that shall not be infringed.

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Could the same be said for being a carrying a gun?


The 55,000 to 350,000 people that use them for self defense every year will probably agree. That doesn't even include all the other people that have firearms for self defense and never have to use them.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39372 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:10 pm to
Good points. Suicides account for over 60% of gun deaths in the us and 80% of the remainder is tied to gang violence. A huge swath of these gang related gun crimes are happening in cities where gun control is most strict.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20862 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:14 pm to
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How many gun deaths in Texas are committed by illegal aliens vs France?


Of the 1400 gun deaths I dont know. I know there is roughly 5%of the population is black, compared to 11% for Texas.

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Suicides?


There were 10,000 suicides in France last year, about 4000 in Texas, half of which involved firearms.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20862 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:21 pm to
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Banning firearms of any kind is a solution looking for a problem based on irrational fearmongering.


I agree with that. I am not suggesting anyone get their guns taken away. My point was to raise the question why we find acceptable to have people dying at many times our peers.

Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20862 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:22 pm to
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The 55,000 to 350,000 people that use them for self defense every year will probably agree. That doesn't even include all the other people that have firearms for self defense and never have to use them.

Nevermind, youre numbers are right
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 1:25 pm
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14021 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:24 pm to
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So youre suggesting that 1 in ten Americans used a gun defending themselves last year?


math not your strong suit?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43318 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:25 pm to
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My point was to raise the question why we find acceptable to have people dying at many times our peers.



What peers? Which nation has a similar diverse ethnic makeup, geographic size, and population?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20862 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:26 pm to
Thats what I get for doing doing too many numbers in my head

Whats your specialty? Water, structures, etc?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20862 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:28 pm to
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Which nation has a similar diverse ethnic makeup, geographic size, and population?

Individual country?
Russia?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34928 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:29 pm to
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What peers? Which nation has a similar diverse ethnic makeup, geographic size, and population?


I said this on the last page. There isn't a country on this planet you can compare to the US. Not a single one. We're an entirely different animal. You'd have to lump all of Europe together to get a somewhat level comparison.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20862 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:31 pm to
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You'd have to lump all of Europe together to get a somewhat level comparison.


But then thered be people on here saying they dont have the violent black youth we have, or the illegal aliens.

Theres some truth to that.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34928 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:34 pm to
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dont have the violent black youth we have, or the illegal aliens.



Well...... They... Uh...... Don't... Sooooooooo....... It's kinda a valid argument when 7%~ (all in one of those two subsects) commit over half the violent crime....
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20862 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:36 pm to
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Well...... They... Uh...... Don't... Sooooooooo....... It's kinda a valid argument when 7%~ (all in one of those two subsects) commit over half the violent crime....


I agreed with this...

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Theres some truth to that.


You guys seem upset about this?
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21859 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:37 pm to
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numbers show homicide rates in the US have dropped with more gun ownership.


With more guns in the population, not a higher percentage of the population owning guns.

The latter has decreased in recent decades.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39372 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:48 pm to
So what? You are essentially admitting that gun control would disproportionately affect legal gun owners. And what about cases like Sandy hook where legally purchased firearms were stolen?

The facts are the facts. More guns does not equal more violent crime, it just alters the methods to which those crimes are committed.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43318 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:50 pm to
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So what? You are essentially admitting that gun control would disproportionately affect legal gun owners.


Well yes. This is exactly what she wants.

Only when we disarm the white man will this country prosper!

*raises fist*
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14021 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:52 pm to
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Whats your specialty?


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structures
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39372 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:53 pm to
Russia is one of the least racially diverse nations on earth.

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