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Guess who chose the 7 countries to ban people from. It wasn't Trump!
Posted on 1/28/17 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 1/28/17 at 3:49 pm
https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/
The “ban” didn’t exclude countries linked to business interests, it targeted countries of “concern” drawn up last year by Obama’s administration and Congress
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According to most reports Trump was banning “nationals of seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States for at least the next 90 days.” This bars people from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.
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The order does seek “to protect the American people from terrorist attacks by foreign nationals admitted to the United States.” It says that it seeks “Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern.” It also says “I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order.” And it targets Syrians specifically. “I hereby proclaim that the entry of nationals of Syria as refugees is detrimental to the interests of the United States and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I have determined that sufficient changes have been made to the USRAP to ensure that admission of Syrian refugees is consistent with the national interest.”
But, wait a sec. According to the reports “The order bars all people hailing from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.” Critics had attacked Trump for selecting these seven countries and not selecting other states “linked to his sprawling business empire.” Bloomberg and Forbes bought into this.
But, wait a sec. I read the order and Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen are not mentioned in it.
Go back and read it again. Do a “ctrl-f” to find “Iraq”. Where is “Iraq” in the order. It’s not there. Only Syria is there. So where are the seven nations? Where is the “Muslim ban”? It turns out this was a form of fake news, or alternative facts. Trump didn’t select seven “Muslim-majority” countries. US President Barack Obama’s administration selected these seven Muslim-majority countries.
The Department of Homeland Security targeted these seven countries over the last years as countries of concern. In February 2016 “The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.” It noted “the three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals.” It was the US policy under Obama to restrict and target people “who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).” This was text of the US Customs and Border Protection in 2015 relating to “the Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015“. The link even includes the seven nation list in it: “Iraq, Syria, Iran, SUdan, Somalia or Yemen.” And the media knew this back in May 2016 when some civil rights groups complained about it. “These restrictions have provoked an outcry from the Iranian-American community, as well as Arab-American and civil-liberties groups, who say the restrictions on dual nationals and certain travelers are discriminatory and could be imposed against American dual nationals.”
The “ban” didn’t exclude countries linked to business interests, it targeted countries of “concern” drawn up last year by Obama’s administration and Congress
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The public should be suspicious of Trump’s policies and the media should speak truth to power and demand answers from the administration. But the media should also be truthful with the public and instead of claiming Trump singled out seven countries, it should note that the US Congress and Obama’s Department of Homeland Security had singled out these countries. It should have told us about theTerrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 rather than pretend this list was invented in 2017. Trump’s executive order said “countries of concern,” it didn’t make a list. That list was already made, last year and years before.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 3:56 pm to GEAUXmedic
Can't wait to hear the press secretary explain how these were countries Obama chose. The melting will continue to be epic. Just like cruiserhog is crying, so will CNN. Trump is a genius isn't he, cruiser?
Posted on 1/28/17 at 3:59 pm to CyrustheVirus
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Can't wait to hear the press secretary explain how these were countries Obama chose. The melting will continue to be epic. Just like cruiserhog is crying, so will CNN. Trump is a genius isn't he, cruiser?
It would be epic for him to just say...
Obama's fault!! Next question.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 3:59 pm to CyrustheVirus
Trump is always a step ahead of these idiots
Posted on 1/28/17 at 4:18 pm to GEAUXmedic
Lying TPOS press BTFO again....
Posted on 1/28/17 at 4:20 pm to GEAUXmedic
So Trump isn't making his own decisions? Trumpkins. ??
Posted on 1/28/17 at 4:25 pm to Cruiserhog
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fake news
We love our Cruiserhog don't we folks?
Posted on 1/28/17 at 4:29 pm to GEAUXmedic
To the OP: What you posted refers to a "visa waiver program," meaning that folks in that program do not need to get a visa to travel to the U.S. It was not a ban. They could still come here with an ordinary visitor visa.
Is that what Trump did? Merely require a visa? or did he suspend the issuance of visas?
Is that what Trump did? Merely require a visa? or did he suspend the issuance of visas?
Posted on 1/28/17 at 4:32 pm to TBoy
To TBoy, may I call you TBoy?
You are misunderstanding.
Leftists are raising hell cause he chose these specific countries and left out others such as Saudi Arabia, acusing him of leaving them out cause he has business dealings with them. This shows, in fact, he referred to a previous act, which details which 7 countries are under effect.
You are misunderstanding.
Leftists are raising hell cause he chose these specific countries and left out others such as Saudi Arabia, acusing him of leaving them out cause he has business dealings with them. This shows, in fact, he referred to a previous act, which details which 7 countries are under effect.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 4:33 pm to GEAUXmedic
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The “ban” didn’t exclude countries linked to business interests, it targeted countries of “concern” drawn up last year by Obama’s administration and Congress
Interesting...
Posted on 1/28/17 at 4:36 pm to GEAUXmedic
Well, dude, the suggestion above is that this is something that Obama did too, or that its was Obama's idea. The "thing" done by Obama refers solely to a visa waiver program, or VWP. That means the travelers from those VWP countries can show up on a flight with nothing other than their passports and get in as visitors. Hell, the first time I went to France I needed a visa to enter. The first time I went to Hungary I needed a visa to enter. The first time I went to Yugoslavia they required a visa to enter, I didn't have it, and I got arrested and expelled.
But I don't care what bootlicking you are doing. Singling out nations for entry or exclusion in a visa waiver program is not a ban on entry, like no visa available. This is a different animal.
But I don't care what bootlicking you are doing. Singling out nations for entry or exclusion in a visa waiver program is not a ban on entry, like no visa available. This is a different animal.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 4:39 pm to TBoy
The first time I went to Europe the only country which had a travel ban, like no visa available for U.S. travelers, was Bulgaria. I can't ever recall a visa ban of this kind by America, ever.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 4:39 pm to BayouBlitz
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So Trump isn't making his own decisions? Trumpkins
Lol melt day 1,000
Posted on 1/28/17 at 4:49 pm to TBoy
You fricking dumb shite
You completely missed the point. Nobody said Obama did the same thing. He picked the fricking countries
You completely missed the point. Nobody said Obama did the same thing. He picked the fricking countries
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:05 pm to gthog61
This is now being picked up by the msm. It's confirmed. Trump just went with the countries obama abd a bI partisan congress selected
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:14 pm to TBoy
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. I can't ever recall a visa ban of this kind by America, ever.
I may be wrong but didn't Obama put a temporary ban on Iraqis as well? Think it was 2011 or 2012
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:17 pm to RidiculousHype
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Trump is always a step ahead of these idiots
Yeah, by banning Iran that doesn't tend to have terrorists out of it, and not Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, which financially support them and are predominantly those countries, like 15 of the 19 highjackers.
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