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Goverment Shutdown coming?

Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:50 am
Posted by KeyserSoze999
Member since Dec 2009
10608 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:50 am
We all know that there's a hefty chuck of Republicans that are no different than Democrats. Question is, are there enough stand up Republicans that can force the issue with a government shutdown? Trump(at least publicly) seems to be letting it be know that he's against it. Which means that dems will oppose what ever Trump wants(lifting the debt ceiling). Aren't there enough conservatives(freedom caucus) along with the stubborn arse pathetic dems to force a shutdown until certain issues are hammered out in the spending bill(THE WALL)?

Is playing this card the way to force action? Is shutting it down a good thing?

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For Republicans, September is shaping up to be a month of bitter pills.

It appears increasingly likely to GOP lawmakers that they will be asked to vote for two things they hate at the end of the month.

The first is a continuing resolution that would keep the government open and funded at current spending levels.

It is likely to be tied to the second: a bill to raise the debt ceiling, another measure anathema to congressional conservatives.
“I think we’re in for a long fall,” White House director of legislative affairs Marc Short said at an Americans for Prosperity event Monday night.

Congress faces a Sept. 30 deadline to prevent a government shutdown, while Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, somewhat conveniently, has set a Sept. 29 deadline for raising the nation’s borrowing limit.

Mnuchin says the hike should be “clean,” meaning it should not be tied to spending cuts or reforms demanded by conservatives.

To get the bill through the Senate, Republicans will need support from Democrats, giving the minority leverage.

Republicans loath funding the government with a continuing resolution because it blocks or postpones a slew of their priorities, including funds for President Trump’s border wall, significant increases in military spending and cuts to nondefense discretionary spending.

“We’d be against a continuing resolution because that wouldn’t allow us to fund those priorities,” White House budget director Mick Mulvaney said in June.

Republicans could avoid the continuing resolution by reaching a deal on a broader spending bill, but that would also require Democratic support in the Senate, and time is running out.

So far, the House has only managed to approve four spending bills. The Senate has not approved any, and most have not even made it out of committee.

This means the continuing resolution is a more likely outcome and one that would buy time for a longer budget deal at the end of the year.

Several prominent conservative leaders sounded resigned to a continuing resolution as House members began their recess last week.

September is going to be a very difficult month, I mean obviously all of this is coming into play right away, all the fiscal issues and deadlines are going to make it extremely difficult to get everything done in a piece-by-piece basis,” said Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), the chairman of the conservative House Freedom Caucus.

“I think that there is no way to work quick enough to do a normal appropriations process, so a CR will be the result, because of inactivity in the Senate,” he added.

Congress will still be under pressure this fall to secure a spending deal even with a continuing resolution.

New budget caps under a previous long-term budget deal are set to kick in in January. This would reduce spending below existing levels unless Congress passes a new law.

“Without a bipartisan budget deal lifting the caps,” said Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) vice chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, spending plans currently under consideration “would result in a 13.2 percent sequester on national security programs in just a few months, undermining military readiness.”

Then there's the problem of the debt ceiling.

Raising the borrowing limit is a difficult vote for most members of Congress, but particularly for Republicans.

A Harvard–Harris Poll in June found that an astonishing 69 percent of voters were opposed to Congress raising the debt ceiling, even though the failure to do so could lead the United States to default on its debt. Even the suggestion that the government would not pay its bills could spark a new financial and economic crisis.

Under former President Barack Obama, conservatives tried to use the must-pass legislation to get spending reforms or other Republican priorities made into law.

With Trump in the White House and Republicans controlling both the House and Senate, however, the dynamics have shifted. Democrats may try to turn the tables and extract concessions from Republicans, who will need Democratic support to pass the debt ceiling.

“To ensure that we have robust economic growth and promote fiscal discipline, the Trump administration believes it’s important to raise the debt ceiling as soon as possible,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said on Tuesday.

Even so, some Republicans are still pushing for some sort of policy reform to hitch to the debt ceiling.

“I’ve been raising the issue of the debt ceiling for months now, and certainly what I’d like to see is some meaningful, structural control enacted in conjunction with increasing,” said Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.).

The difficult decisions come as Republicans grapple with a narrative that they are unable to govern.

In the first six months of the Trump administration, they have yet to finalize a major piece of legislation, including the healthcare bill that failed in the Senate last week.

Come autumn, the GOP will likely have to choose between allowing the government to shut down and default on its debt and making politically difficult, unpopular decisions.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:51 am to
quote:

Goverment Shutdown coming?

No
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67654 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:52 am to
Please don't get my hopes up.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26645 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:02 am to
I hope so. Could be shut down for years and no one would notice.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19307 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:07 am to
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Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, somewhat conveniently, has set a Sept. 29 deadline for raising the nation’s borrowing limit.


I thought the national debt was decreasing? So why do we need a credit limit increase?
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13470 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:07 am to
They're not doing anything anyway
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:12 am to
No way! Generic rightwing blog told me Trump is reducing the debt!
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98462 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:14 am to
To the extent that Trump has the authority to call Congress into extraordinary session, he should do so.

This is fricking ridiculous.
Posted by KeyserSoze999
Member since Dec 2009
10608 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:50 am to
quote:

This is fricking ridiculous



no doubt, and you see how the libs swoop in the mock

"isn't the debt going down"

I say frick it, let the "default" which is not a default take place. Then I believe that gives the president power to prioritize what gets paid and what doesn't. I could be wrong there, but if the purse priorities get shifted to the executive branch, bring that shite on.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:52 am to
Not after the beating the GOP took for the last one. They will figure it out.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9414 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:55 am to
Playing chicken with the debt ceiling is a stupid, wreckless move, and I would hope the democrats take no part in it. It's dumb regardless of who's president.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19670 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 11:02 am to
quote:

A Harvard–Harris Poll in June found that an astonishing 69 percent of voters were opposed to Congress raising the debt ceiling, even though the failure to do so could lead the United States to default on its debt. Even the suggestion that the government would not pay its bills could spark a new financial and economic crisis. 
this is dumb. Servicing the debt is only 6% of the federal budget. That's a scare tactic people love to use who are opposed to any kind of cut in spending. We don't have to raise the debt ceiling to service the debt (anyone else see that song so only exacerbates the problem). We would find the money with extremely minor spending cuts
Posted by KeyserSoze999
Member since Dec 2009
10608 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 11:23 am to
quote:

Not after the beating the GOP took for the last one. They will figure it out.


yeah but does Trump really care about that after the way the GOPe screwed him on ACA? I mean the leverage is there to get his own party in line. Time to fight fire with fire.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146530 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 11:27 am to
the GOP don't have the nads to shut down the government. they are the democrats and the democrats are them.

the GOP's apparent goal is to stall Trump's agenda, loose seats and impeach a POTUS before he even tries all because they are a-hole cucks. they have a FLAKE all set up ready to go to be Pence's VP-- along with Rubio the weasel turncoat.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
39990 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 11:29 am to
quote:

Goverment Shutdown coming?



We can only hope! Probably be the best way to actually drain the swamp would be to just shut it down.
Posted by KeyserSoze999
Member since Dec 2009
10608 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 11:38 am to
quote:

he GOP's apparent goal is to stall Trump's agenda, loose seats and impeach a POTUS before he even tries all because they are a-hole cucks. they have a FLAKE all set up ready to go to be Pence's VP-- along with Rubio the weasel turncoat.



if this is true, and I don't doubt it, Trump needs to go scorched earth and put the cucks on defense. Shutting the Gov down is his ace card, IMO
Posted by Rawdawgs
Member since Dec 2007
910 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 12:46 pm to
There are ways for keep the Gov going along in limp mode. One of the reasons why I think Obama is such is dick is the way he handled it. Closing the Grand Canyon? What a douche! Threatening old ladies SS checks? a-hole. I would get Mulvaney to call a press conference and say we will continue to fund SS, but cutting all funds to NPR,PP, PBS etc. No salary for Congress or their staff. Send everyone home. Then say no more press conferences, walk out and turn off the lights.
Posted by KeyserSoze999
Member since Dec 2009
10608 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 1:20 pm to
would be as great as landing on the moon

prioritizing spending and non spending in one swoop

quote:

No salary for Congress or their staff.


when it really comes down to it, the dems and republicucks are the ones that would have a cow, so it has to be a good thing
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19307 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

To the extent that Trump has the authority to call Congress into extraordinary session, he should do so.


He can.

Truman did in 1948 in the famous "Turnip Day" special session. Dared the GOP to pass legislation that it had previously supported.

They didn't.

It greatly helped Truman overcome the disastrous three-way split in his party and pull off one of the greatest upsets in political history.
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