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GOP Senate should use two speech rule to break filibuster instead of nuke option
Posted on 2/7/17 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/7/17 at 11:58 am
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President Donald Trump’s nomination of Neil Gorsuch to fill Antonin Scalia’s seat on the U.S. Supreme Court has reignited the debate over the so-called nuclear option, a procedural tool that could be used to end debate on the nomination and force an up-or-down confirmation vote.
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But what if there were a way to guarantee both an up-or-down vote on a Supreme Court nominee and debate about the nomination? What if there were a way to preserve debate while providing for a final vote? Thankfully, there is a way to accomplish that and, unlike the nuclear option, it doesn’t require any major trickery or parliamentary shenanigans. Instead, all it requires is for the Senate to abide by its own rules regarding debate. This option limits indefinite obstruction while preserving vital debate and protecting the unique nature of the Senate. Not only that, this particular strategy was even used in 1964 by Civil Rights Act proponents who were desperately trying to break a determined filibuster of that landmark legislation.
Forget about the nuclear option and embrace the two-speech rule option. Here’s how it works.
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The two-speech rule option provides the best of all worlds by addressing the concerns of both sides of the Supreme Court nomination debate. Instead of nuking debate, the two-speech rule option merely nukes obstruction. And it does so by encouraging debate and by encouraging the input of every single senator.
Current Senate practice empowers a lazy minority by allowing indefinite obstruction without requiring any effort or debate. If voters want a confirmation process that simultaneously encourages debate while limiting obstruction, they should demand that the Senate set the nuclear option aside and invoke the two-speech rule option instead.
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If Mitch really wants to avoid using the nuclear option, he simply has to enforce debate rules of the senate and that includes the two speech rule. If he goes this route, he will preserve the deliberative nature of the senate and make the democrats work their asses off to sustain a filibuster indefinitely and we all know democrats can't do it as its not in their character as they are a lazy minority.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 11:59 am to Sentrius
That's how it should be done.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 11:59 am to Sentrius
i really hope this happens b/c it would be weeks of total fun and chaos
Posted on 2/7/17 at 11:59 am to Sentrius
I think gorsuch gets 60+ anyway
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:00 pm to Sentrius
Mitch should do everything in his power to make the Left believe he'll invoke the nuclear option as soon as they cause an inconvenience
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i really hope this happens b/c it would be weeks of total fun and chaos
Under the two speech rule, we'll get to see how serious democrats are about blocking the nomination and the days of a lazy minority simply obstructing the people's work without holding the floor and speaking one word of debate being over.
it's a net benefit.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:08 pm to joshnorris14
I don't know if Mitch is capable of that
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:09 pm to Sentrius
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GOP Senate should use two speech rule to break filibuster instead of nuke option
Or just make them stand in the corner
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:09 pm to Sentrius
I did not even know this was an option. Thanks for the civics lesson.
Knowing about the two speech rule based on just what you quoted kind of pisses me off now. It pisses me off because I did not realize there was option to avoid the filibuster without going nuclear. I get the sneaking suspicion that the two speech rule was/is kept tucked away from the public. Reason being, the party in power can bring controversial legislation to the senate floor that is completely supported by their base back home but opposed by the DC beltway knowing full well the opposition can kill the legislation with the filibuster. Thusly the party in power can tell their base, "we tried" and tell their donors, "see, I knew we wouldn't be able to pass it."
It's the game the GOPe is very good at playing.
Knowing about the two speech rule based on just what you quoted kind of pisses me off now. It pisses me off because I did not realize there was option to avoid the filibuster without going nuclear. I get the sneaking suspicion that the two speech rule was/is kept tucked away from the public. Reason being, the party in power can bring controversial legislation to the senate floor that is completely supported by their base back home but opposed by the DC beltway knowing full well the opposition can kill the legislation with the filibuster. Thusly the party in power can tell their base, "we tried" and tell their donors, "see, I knew we wouldn't be able to pass it."
It's the game the GOPe is very good at playing.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:15 pm to GumboPot
this isn't much different. Imagine if this had been the rule during Obama's 8 years. Go ahead and change it. Once it's done it ain't coming back
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:20 pm to MIZ_COU
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Imagine if this had been the rule during Obama's 8 years.
Apparently the senate two speech rule was a rule during Obama's term.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:47 pm to GumboPot
When I was a State Senator, we had a rule of One Hour for each side, to stop a Filibuster. It's enough time for debate from both sides, then just vote. We voted and got it over with, with no waste of time, with progress made.
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