re: Globalism,in a nutshell

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Religion is borne out of basic human values, not the reverse.

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True

Some very basic moral traits can be observed in the animal kingdom and evolved from a reproductive benefit of working together in groups. As social creatures certain traits were selected for which allow further socialization because that's how we maximize survival and reproduction.

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And you truly think they have equal birth rates?

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Of course not, but it's heavily skewed because as a country becomes more successful the rates of religion go down. National wealth /affluency and rates of religious belief are inversely related. Moreover, the birth rates of religious and non-religious people are nearly identical in first world nations.

So across the whole globe sure, religious people make more kids than the non-religious. But that's because most non-religious live in more affluent parts of the world where less kids are the norm for everyone.

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Not overall, per family. Religious families put out FAR more kids per couple than secular families.

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Yeah, that's what I said. And I explained why that is.

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You mean everything about them was different, save for the concept of race?

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No, everything wasn't that different. All of them spoke Indo-European languages which came from one singular source in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe (near modern Ukraine) about 4,000 BCE. (Most linguistic scholars agree that the Pontic-Caspian steppe is the best candidate for the PIE language because of what we know from archaeology and genetics).

From the steppes an early branch of these people moved south into Anatolia and founded the Hittite empire (Hittite is the oldest IE language known). Others moved into central Europe (later becoming Germans), some went to western Europe (the Celts) and some stayed in Eastern Europe (Balto-Slavs). However, one group went southward into the Balkans and then finally into Greece. These people became the Hellenes.

To illustrate the similarity in the language and culture of the IE people, the chief God of the Hellenic pantheon was Zeus ("sky father"). The Roman version was Jupiter. The Celtic version was "Duw." The German version was Tyr. The similarities in this (and many other words) proves that all these people derived from a single source. They shared the same religion for the most part, even if their languages branched apart to become mutually unintelligible over time.

As for Greece, the original people were Pelasgians, a term Herodotus and other writers used as a catch-all term to describe the natives. Little is known about their language except for what we have from Linear A and Linear B scripts. They seem, culturally, to be similar to the Egyptians (art, religious practices, etc.) and probably had close ties with North Africa before the Hellenes. The Pelasgians, of course, were responsible for the Minoan (Mycenean) culture.

Of course, there was a merger between old Pelasgian (native) culture and that of the IE invaders. There's little doubt the Hellenes learned a lot from them, especially artistically and architecturally. The Hellenes learned from them how to write which gives us insight into the Greek branch of IE. This Pelasgian influence probably separated the Hellenes culturally from their northern kin.

However, even in the classical writings, you can see a cultural divide between some of the city-states. For instance, the Athenians seemed to look upon the Spartans as a sort of curiosity with their highly regimented and militaristic culture. There's little doubt that the Spartans were much closer, culturally, to their ancestors in the original IE homeland.

The bottom line is that what happened in Greece isn't the same thing as modern America where you have people coming from all over the known world, from various racial groups, practicing wildly different religions and having wildly different customs. It's not the same.

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The family unit is intrinsically counter to leftest ideology. Not to say "democrats" are per se against the family unit, but leftist ideology at its foundation loathes the family unit.

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Another post born of lack of understanding. Leftist ideology is Marxist ideology. Marxist ideology is built on two foundations: destroying capitalism and dethroning God.

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The bottom line is that what happened in Greece isn't the same thing as modern America where you have people coming from all over the known world, from various racial groups, practicing wildly different religions and having wildly different customs. It's not the same.

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I've never contended that at all. My only contention has been about the multicultural roots of Western Civilization, and how that multiculturalism, through competition, became a function of that civilization's success.

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No, everything wasn't that different.

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Culture and language are massive differences. Even their common ancestor in terms of linguistics existed thousands of years prior. Those groups had massive differences between them.

Religion is a pillar of civilization. If you're against civilization and it's pillars you're an anarchist. Take the word religion out of it and see it for what it is. A guideline for being civil to your fellow man and to keep you safe. Any decent trait a person has comes from some form of religious txt. Ppl have perverted it into a governing tool and have given it absolutism that's where the danger comes in. That's not the religions fault it's the person or people's fault.

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Here's a dodo. Ever heard of the military industrial complex? We didn't stick our heads into Iraq bc of Christian ideals. We stuck our heads into Iraq bc of lust of money.

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Yes. I agree. My point was to rally the masses that this was a good idea they used religion and fear to get the american people behind the idea.

Religion is the key to keeping the military industrial complex rolling. Make people believe the enemy is hell bent on destroying your beliefs (highly based in your religion) and then you have the support of the people to keep the military machine rolling.

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Because you're a shining example of enlightenment.

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Damn Skippy.