General Question About Healthcare

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He's right.

Healthcare is a commodity. And it may sound simplistic but when you can get things fast and cheap, or cheap and high quality, or high quality and fast; but you can never get all three.

Right now our health care is fast and high quality. There is no way to move to a Universal Sysem without there being a major hit to quality

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Yep.

There's no such thing as universal healthcare. A socialized system just excludes different individuals.

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I just heard Malcolm Gladwell make an interesting point. In America., We seem to have contradictory goals. Specifically, we want to control spiraling costs And maintain the most technically advanced care and facilities, while allowing total patient choice.

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I've pointed this out on this board like 50 times. The point gets ignored ENTIRELY by our resident liberals.

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Perhaps, this isn't possible

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EXACTLY!

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Which is why Canadians decided to adopt their system.. Is it possible to receive calm, civil responses or comments from you guys? I think it's an interesting if simple observation.

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I've been saying for QUITE SOME TIME that what Americans believe they can have is a lie.

They are routinely told, "hey, those other countries have free health care"......"you should have it too"........

THEN, they're told the SPECTACULAR lie that our health care is NOT as good as in those places.

So, Americans come to the hilarious conclusion that WE can have OUR CURRENT health care system.......only free. Nope

It's the same as when Americans talk about having "free college like everywhere else".

If our government gave us Great Britain's health care system or European "free college", liberals would march on Washington and burn it to the ground.

death panels r us

one plan for the poors

capitalist platinum for the rich.

the overall NATIONAL cost of a single payer will be less than the current uber capitalist system including the poor showing up for ER.

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If our government gave us Great Britain's health care system or European "free college", liberals would march on Washington and burn it to the ground.

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And we would even get close to that level of cost or quality. UHC supporters always use GB, or France, or Canada as examples. All of these countries have about ten percent of our population, exponentially less distance between urban areas, and none of the negative cultural health attributes,

If anything, our system would look more like Brazil or Russia. And no one wants that.

Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor tried to explain this to barack obama. Either he didn't understand or deliberately chose to be obtuse.

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Agreed, but the issue is rarely discussed openly in those terms.

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This is because if one tries to point out that what is being proposed is economic fallacy, the left reliably will claim health care to be superior in all these places it's "free".

And yes, I've seen all their stats they use to fool people who don't know any better.

But, that's what happens.

You can't point out the reality that our system is fricking kick arse.

You can't point out that the VAST MAJORITY of new medical treatments come out of the US of A. In other words, that the shite being given away for free elsewhere wouldn't even exist absent the US of A.

You can't point out that there are precisely ZERO other products in the world where people EXPECT that everyone will have access to the newest version of said product the moment it becomes available.

You can't point out that if this was the expectation for smart phones, an iPhone would be $10,000.

You can't point ANY of this shite out because Americans are economic morons and liberals are only too happy to tell them they can have unicorns and rainbows.

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one plan for the poors

capitalist platinum for the rich.

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Yeah, that wouldn't cause any issues.

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Maybe two systems could work. Publicly run shite hospitals for the poors that want it free and private care for everyone else who pays. Get what you pay for.

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Except it wouldn't just be the poor. The necessary revenue to run a public system would effectively take the middle class out of the possibility of paying for extra platinum care. Realistically, only 10% of so of people would be able to afford platinum care.

Just looked it up, the amount of British with private insurance over the public system is between 8-11%

Anyone know the population break down on UHC vs "Platinium" in Great Britain?

Personally think that employers should be incentivized to offer Platinium benefits and the "entitlement" class should get what they get since they take and don't contribute. We could offer loan waivers for clinicians if they dedicate a portion of thier time working off thier loans at the charity hospitals.