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re: For everyone on this board that believes Muslims haven't assimilated into the US
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:56 am to Gaspergou202
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:56 am to Gaspergou202
And San Bernardino.
and...let's not forget the Beltway sniper(s).
and...let's not forget the Beltway sniper(s).
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Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:57 am to Deuces
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Oh ok. If I've offended you with anything I've said, it wasn't my intention.
Not offended by anything you say or really anything people say here. People are a little less filtered on the internet
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It seems the man is mostly on higher terms in the family.
I could see that with newly immigrated families. But I think it changes over time. I know a lot of recently immigrated families that value their daughters lives/careers/futures as much as their sons. A lot of people move here to get away from poverty/oppression/persecution
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If Muslims immigrate here wanting to follow sharia law over the law of the establishment, that's where I have a problem.
I don't think this is as prevalent as people make it seem. And if they do want Sharia law, I don't think that necessarily equates with wanting to hurt other people that are not like them.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:59 am to phillypie
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I would love to see proof that shows American muslims want to do this country harm.
I should have qualified from the perspective that I didn't specifically reference American muslims, but more so from the context of the world given that we have fought a war against terror, i.e., Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc. for well over a decade.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:01 am to phillypie
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I don't think this is as prevalent as people make it seem. And if they do want Sharia law, I don't think that necessarily equates with wanting to hurt other people that are not like them.
Like I was saying about Europe though, there've been polls taken where the majority of Muslim immigrants want sharia in these places. There are neighborhoods that are sharia ran with total disregard for the country's laws. Police even say that they don't go into the neighborhoods.
That's dangerous because that's the opposite of assimilation and it takes away the values and cultures of the country. Even if they don't have the intention of hurting others.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:03 am to weptiger
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I should have qualified from the perspective that I didn't specifically reference American muslims, but more so from the context of the world given that we have fought a war against terror, i.e., Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc. for well over a decade.
Some Muslims obviously want to do harm with the west, but I think a majority want to live free lives without poverty and a future with their children.
I think problems in the Muslim world have more to do with the political and economic climate rather than Islam itself, but that's another discussion.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:06 am to phillypie
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I think a majority want to live free lives without poverty and a future with their children.
Then they should do what successful societies do and work/fight to weed out corruption, separate religion from state, and build a decent country instead of going somewhere they won't fit in/aren't wanted.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:06 am to Deuces
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Like I was saying about Europe though, there've been polls taken where the majority of Muslim immigrants want sharia in these places. There are neighborhoods that are sharia ran with total disregard for the country's laws. Police even say that they don't go into the neighborhoods.
That's dangerous because that's the opposite of assimilation and it takes away the values and cultures of the country. Even if they don't have the intention of hurting others.
I agree. Even if you have not intention of hurting others, you have to follow and respect the country's law. That is definitely a problem in Europe.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:10 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Then they should do what successful societies do and work/fight to weed out corruption, separate religion from state, and build a decent country instead of going somewhere they won't fit in/aren't wanted.
I definitely agree. Religion and politics should be kept separate. It is easier said than done. 1400+ years of history is hard to turn around overnight.
But I am glad my family didn't stay in Pakistan to fight and weed out corruption. My parents wanted the best future for their children so they didn't feel like they needed to improve their country. Family first and that's why a lot of people leave. It's completely reasonable to want to leave.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:14 am to phillypie
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But I am glad my family didn't stay in Pakistan to fight and weed out corruption. My parents wanted the best future for their children so they didn't feel like they needed to improve their country. Family first and that's why a lot of people leave. It's completely reasonable to want to leave.
I guess bringing a religion/ideology from a third world dump to a successful - primarily Christian - country is the path of least resistance.
Should we let all the 'third worlders' from muslim lands in just to make it easy on them?
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Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:16 am to TrueTiger
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You are falling for an elaborate taquito move.
YES!!!!
Taquito Strategy. It knows no boundaries.
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Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:17 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Should we let all the 'third worlders' from muslim lands in just to make it easy on them?
No, I think America should be accommodating towards people fleeing horrible situations and looking for better lives and futures. But only to the extent that America is capable of handling more people. I understand there are already American citizens living in poverty and need help escaping it.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:22 am to BugAC
quote:So NOW it's important not to treat Muslims as a monolith. Interesting.
How many of these Muslims are American born vs. immigrants?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:23 am to Scruffy
quote:Batting average is not a good metric. I saw Pete Rose strike out once.
Education is not a good metric.
Osama bin Laden was extremely well-educated, was he not?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:24 am to phillypie
Regressive propaganda.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:26 am to phillypie
quote:Every one of these problems predates Islam by hundreds if not thousands of years. "Islam" is a shiny object that distracts the ignorant from these problems.
I think problems in the Muslim world have more to do with the political and economic climate rather than Islam itself, but that's another discussion.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:26 am to phillypie
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am addressing the point that a lot of people don't believe Muslims have integrated well into American society, and that is just false
Your article in no way addresses assimilation.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:28 am to phillypie
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It's completely reasonable to want to leave.
Which is fine. My trouble with immigrants fleeing their governments wanting to come to the states - they seem to want their freedom with protection of US laws. It seems many immigrants are more concerned about establishing their culture in our country as opposed to adopting the culture of the country they wish to flee to. America does have its own culture, albeit loosely based as opposed to some cultures, but nevertheless, we still have a culture. Immigrants moving here and displaying their flags in lieu of displaying their adoptive country's flag is not a sign of assimilation imo. Not saying that is what you or your family has done but there is plenty of evidence out there to support my statement.
So my question to you, did your parents move here to have more religious freedom in America with the Muslim culture left in tact or did they move here for religious freedom yet willing to adopt American culture as a byproduct of that freedom? Thanks.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:31 am to phillypie
As said before, stopped at CNN article. They are quite possible the most liberal media outlet there is and would do anything to push the notion that Muslims are peaceful and tolerant members of society. Anything to push the socialist/communist agenda so beloved by the left.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:32 am to phillypie
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I think America should be accommodating towards people fleeing horrible situations and looking for better lives and futures. But only to the extent that America is capable of handling more people. I understand there are already American citizens living in poverty and need help escaping it.
So...are we to ignore the fact that a huge majority of muslim immigrants are on some type of welfare?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:34 am to phillypie
The other day I was getting on to the bus wearing my favorite jimmy dean pork breakfast sausage hat when three Muslim supporters with machetes pulled my hat off and threw it to the ground yelling "this is sharia America now and haram clothing is not allowed!" They then tried to force me to wear a burka and renounce my Christianity. I'm literally shaking right now, this is Mohammed's America.
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