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Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Sorry. Just tired of the blatant racist bullshite. When does the Obama getting elected backlash end?
We have a white male president now. Whats with all the race whining?
We have a white male president now. Whats with all the race whining?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:23 pm to Tigerdev
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Just tired of the blatant racist bull shite.
Then tell your side to act with some integrity.
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When does the Obama getting elected backlash end?
It never began . . . and it definitely never had anything to do with racism.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:23 pm to Tigerdev
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When does the Obama getting elected backlash end?
Why do you think this is about Obama?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:59 pm to The_Duke
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And don't place western white males cultural values on everyone else as if it's the only way to live. Some cultures don't care about having an over abundance of material things that humans don't really need
Then why does every black guy that makes it rich through sports or music spend money on stupid shite like its going out of style?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:49 pm to NIH
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Can you compare the murder rates of SA or El Paso to NOLA/Memphis/Baltimore etc?
Why? It's irrelevant to my claim. Statistically, a black man in Baltimore and a Mexican in SA making the same amount of money and with the same education are about as likely to commit a given crime.
San Antonio, as a whole, is a much more affluent city than Baltimore, Memphis or NOLA. It would actually DISPROVE my point if they had the same crime rates.
Meanwhile, you intentionally ignored Oakland and LA which have incredibly high rates of Hispanic crime because, wait for it, they have lots more poor Hispanics.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:51 pm to NIH
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Black urban culture in the US is much more violent than any other.
Again, this statiscally doesn't hold up. POOR urban culture is violent. Socioeconomic status is by far the strongest predictor of nearly all types of crime, not race or ethnicity.
For instance, among those who have a household income greater than 100k a year, a black male is only 2.3% more likely to commit a violent crime as a white man and that is at least a little skewed by the high false conviction rate among blacks across all economic classes.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
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to commit a given crime.
nice dodge
want to address the murder rate and violent crime?
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Socioeconomic status is by far the strongest predictor of nearly all types of crime, not race or ethnicity
Then we must begin to wonder if race or ethnicity is a good predictor for socioeconomic status.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:53 pm to HempHead
There are no differences between races!
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:54 pm to Strannix
I have avoided living in the city and still do.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:55 pm to NIH
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There are no differences between races!
Or genders!
Or culture!
Or religion!
Jesus fricking Christ, people, I thought we WANTED diversity. If we're all the same, how is there any vibrancy?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:57 pm to HempHead
quote:Well both can be true.
Then we must begin to wonder if race or ethnicity is a good predictor for socioeconomic status.
In other words, there is probably shared variance between SES and race/ethnicity in a model predicting crime; so when you include all of those predictors, and the correlations with each other, SES is still the strongest predictor.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:58 pm to NIH
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nice dodge
Dodge? I simply said for all types of crime, socioeconomic status is the strongest predictor.
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want to address the murder rate and violent crime?
I already have. The stats hold true for ALL types of crime including violent crime.
The issue is there is a much higher percentage of blacks who are poor than whites, and thus blacks commit crime at a higher rate. We can discuss the reasons for that, but it's a fact. I'm as likely to commit murder as a black man with my income/social class.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:00 pm to buckeye_vol
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In other words, there is probably shared variance between SES and race/ethnicity in a model predicting crime; however, including all those predictors, and the correlations with each other, SES is still the strongest predictor.
I'm also curious as to whether this is purely an American phenomenon or understanding. Does poverty correlate with crime in places where a much larger segment of the population are poor?
I don't want to draw conclusions about human behavior based on a society/civilization/culture that is wildly different than anything we've ever seen - the stimuli we have now would be so utterly alien to all of our ancestors. I can't help but think that this affects behavior to a large extent.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:The problem with these discussions are that too many people think that it has to be one or the other.
The issue is there is a much higher percentage of blacks who are poor than whites, and thus blacks commit crime at a higher rate. We can discuss the reasons for that, but it's a fact. I'm as likely to commit murder as a black man with my income/social class.
Race and SES can both be significant predictors; in all likelihood, SES is a moderator variable between race and crime.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:02 pm to HempHead
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Then we must begin to wonder if race or ethnicity is a good predictor for socioeconomic status.
Well, yeah. That's obvious as it's basically just flipping the statement around
You're asking the wrong question. The question is WHY are certain races more likely to be lower on the socioeconomic ladder.
Some answer that question by asserting what humans have always asserted, certain groups are inherently inferior. I find that simplistic and unsubstantiated scientifically.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:05 pm to HempHead
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Does poverty correlate with crime in places where a much larger segment of the population are poor?
Yes
Of course, rich people have always been better about not getting caught.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:07 pm to HempHead
quote:The difficulty in this relationship is that there is a restriction of range and floor effects (can't get poorer than broke). Regression models rely on variability; if the variability is restricted because of a floor and because the population is too similar, then it's hard to establish a relationship, even if one theoretically exists.
Does poverty correlate with crime in places where a much larger segment of the population are poor?
quote:I agree. But at the same time, the basic foundational needs are not that dissimilar even if the contextual variables are incredibly different.
the stimuli we have now would be so utterly alien to all of our ancestors. I can't help but think that this affects behavior to a large extent.
HOWEVER, because the majority of the poor can have the needs met in first-world society, we can see that it's probably more civil (message boards aside).
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:12 pm to Strannix
humans are creatures of affinity. God made us this way. we seek out those of like mind, values, culture, beliefs, politics and we sort ourselves accordingly
Not until Reconstruction and subsequent acts through the 60s did that basic human right get challenged and coopted by the very government that elected it. People's will was overthrown for some silly rent seeking scheme that said if we pay these people, put them in compounds and get the local cops to keep them in the zoo, then we can trot them out every 4 years and run the world forever...LBJ said the equivalent of that. He is a DEMOCRAT
BLACKS YOU LISTENING...
Democrats destroyed the black family and culture and used the Interstate system to drive it home...then took your free will and family away from you by making Govt your daddy provider
no wonder black women are so mean and evil today... I would be too.
Black folks please thank democrats for your subjugation
and get busy fixing your people...rest of us are sick and tired of it.
Not until Reconstruction and subsequent acts through the 60s did that basic human right get challenged and coopted by the very government that elected it. People's will was overthrown for some silly rent seeking scheme that said if we pay these people, put them in compounds and get the local cops to keep them in the zoo, then we can trot them out every 4 years and run the world forever...LBJ said the equivalent of that. He is a DEMOCRAT
BLACKS YOU LISTENING...
Democrats destroyed the black family and culture and used the Interstate system to drive it home...then took your free will and family away from you by making Govt your daddy provider
no wonder black women are so mean and evil today... I would be too.
Black folks please thank democrats for your subjugation
and get busy fixing your people...rest of us are sick and tired of it.
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