Ever notice that middle eastern countries riot and protest?

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They only want change and don't care how it happens and then they eventually overthrow the government and put it a dictator. Then they have an oh shite moment and try to rebel again but it's too late.

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When and where did this happen? If you are referring to Egypt, Morsi was elected and removed by the military. In Tunisia Arab Spring ended a one party state. In other places where it wasn't successful, you had governments responding by killing their own people (as in Syria, Yemen, and Bahrain).

Iran isn't in the ME (not technically anyway), and Iran is way ahead of the rest of the Islamic world in literacy rates, with around 90% of its adult population literate (compared to something like 60% for nearby Arab countries) . Iran also spends 5% of its GDP on education, which is higher than any of its neighbors.

So are you referring to the 1979 revolution or the 2009-10 election protests or the 2011 protests by Arab Spring? In 1979 they didn't overthrow the Shah to install a dictator, as the government structure of the Islamic Iran is much more complicated than that, though I suppose you could reduce the position Khomeini held to a de-facto dictator. There has never been a movement to remove either Khomeini or Khamenei though.

During the revolution they only wanted western ideals out and the shah gone. Ayatollah Khomenei came from his banished land of France and took over and established an Islamic ruled government. The people didn't want that either.

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All these protests need is women doing this!

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They wanted the shah out back in the 50s and were successful by replacing him with mossadegh of the Tudeh party. Then America and Britain did the coup.

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The Americans and the Brits wanted Mossadegh out. It wasn't a groundswell like the 1979 revolution. The character of each was entirely different and the insinuation that both movements were the same type of popular protests is simply incorrect. Mossadagh was arguably more popular than the Shah, and is well-regarded by some, just as much as the Shah and his family is well-regarded by some Iranian expats.

I'm still not sure what Iran has to do with the point at hand. There would have been no 1979 revolution (in the method it was executed at least) without the 1953 coup. The coup is the key event, and that was driven by foreign interests.

Large groups of people, in general, don't have foresight. The main reason why Mossadegh was so popular was that people felt he was standing up to the West. The Shah removed him briefly and then had to deal with massive protests, at which point he was reinstated and more powerful than ever. The excuse the West made was that he was on the verge of becoming a dictator.

Whether they want Islamic rule is another issue. The green movement and Arab spring was a very good indication they want liberalism (as in classic liberalism) but even in Europe, liberalism was slow in taking hold. Would you say that the revolutions of 1830 and 1848 were failures because they had no idea what they wanted? You are asking something of groups of people that groups of people, generally, are not capable of. All they know is that they are unhappy with the status quo. That is exactly what drove a large degree of Trump's support; the difference between groundswell popular movements in developed countries and the developing world is due to the robustness and trust in institutions. The developing world does not have those institutions, generally, and the developed world does.

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would you agree that these protest happen out of ignorance rather than educated decisions?

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Give me an example of a protest made out of an educated decision, specifically to do with governments. Were the Ukrainians making an educated decision when they forced Yanukovych? Literally the idea of mass protests is mutually exclusive with "educated" decision-making.

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So the protests in America are educated decisions?

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How did you get that from what I wrote?

I literally wrote that the idea of mass group protests are mutually exclusive with educated decisions. Mass group protests are usually to do with cynicism and discontent in the status quo. Most want change but don't care about the nature of change.

Is what you wrote of Iran true of Ukraine, given that they have had two mass uprisings since 2000, in 2004 and in 2014?