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HubbaBubba
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Drug sniffing dogs at airport

I was in Little Rock yesterday and today. Yesterday, walking past security, I noticed a drug sniffing dog checking everyone before they entered or passed through TSA security check. Today, they were there and cheked me and everyone else.

Without probable cause, why should a citizen be subjected to this type of warrantless inspection? We already have to submit to the standard airport detectors as we enter security.


NimbleCat
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re: Drug sniffing dogs at airport
Dogs can sniff for other things beside drugs...
They can smell explosives too.


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Antonio Moss
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Without probable cause, why should a citizen be subjected to this type of warrantless inspection?


The argument is that you have no right to fly on an airplane and airports are owned by the government. Thus, to enter the terminal, you must consent to a search. You can refuse the search; you just won't be able to enter the terminal.



jcole4lsu
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The argument is that you have no right to fly on an airplane and airports are owned by the government. Thus, to enter the terminal, you must consent to a search. You can refuse the search; you just won't be able to enter the terminal.

in addition, there is nothing saying that dog is sniffing for drugs. it may (and most likely is) sniffing for explosives.

i would much rather have a sniffing dog over a $10/hr TSA agent groping and taking naked xrays


Bestbank Tiger
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Without probable cause, why should a citizen be subjected to this type of warrantless inspection?


Because we have a "living Constitution" and the Fourth Amendment doesn't really mean what it says. Plus the Founders lived in a different time where you didn't have dopeheads.


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Antonio Moss
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in addition, there is nothing saying that dog is sniffing for drugs. it may (and most likely is) sniffing for explosives.


That's honestly irrelevant.


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Five0
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U.S. v. Place, 462 U.S. 696 (1983) 
The court determined that the sniffing of personal items of a person in a public place by a dog for the purpose of finding contraband was not a "search" under the Fourth Amendment. The use of a canine to detect odors emanating from an apartment while at a lawful place outside the apartment is still a search requiring probable cause and a warrant. The court emphasized that a person has a higher expectation of privacy in his dwelling than in objects transported through public places (vehicles, baggage, boxes, etc).


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Gmorgan4982
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Without probable cause, why should a citizen be subjected to this type of warrantless inspection?
Because the U.S. is a lawless nation.


Gmorgan4982
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The court determined that the sniffing of personal items of a person in a public place by a dog for the purpose of finding contraband was not a "search"
The Supreme Court ... always good for laughs and some logic-twisting.


Antonio Moss
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re: Drug sniffing dogs at airport
We could always just have anarchy . . . . which would quickly turn into a tyrannical oligarchy just like it has every time in human history.



Five0
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re: Drug sniffing dogs at airport
Agree with Antonio. The dogs are sniffing the air outside the bags. That sounds like the public domain to me. If not I will have to start getting an arrest warrant every time I take a breath while on duty because I'm technically seizing the air that I breath.


jcole4lsu
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Gmorgan4982

show us where the US government touched you, G.
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Gmorgan4982
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Or we could try anarchy without the turning back part. But that would involve people being less angry and violent all the time so that's not going to happen any time soon.


Gmorgan4982
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I haven't flown anywhere in quite some time so, luckily, nowhere yet.


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Antonio Moss
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Or we could try anarchy without the turning back part.


It's rarely a "turn back situation." You aren't very well versed in the history of government/societies.


Gmorgan4982
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You aren't very well versed in the history of government/societies.
What the hell?

Yeah, maybe I should have got a master's degree in history or something.

ETA: My Poli Board crazy stalker would tell you that I did get one.
This post was edited on 7/12 at 9:09 pm


Antonio Moss
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Yeah, maybe I should have got a master's degree in history or something.


Maybe you should have concentrated in the history of governments. Nearly every anarchy follows the same pattern. There is some stable (use that term loosely) society. That society falls into anarchy because of a violent faction opposing government. Once the society becomes chaotic enough, those who caused the original violence are placed into power and institute a tyrannical regime.


Gmorgan4982
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Nearly every anarchy follows the same pattern.
Do you think I don't know this? It's brought up constantly on this board and other places.


EST
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re: Drug sniffing dogs at airport
How many people in this thread justified the use of dogs - or how flying is a privilege, not a right.

Little by little, inch by inch - training us all to be loyal subjects with fewer and fewer rights and less and less privacy. You are presumed guilty simply because you are alive.


beulahland
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re: Drug sniffing dogs at airport
If those dogs were sniffing for drugs, the TSA would get busted.


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