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Jbird
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re: Drones being used in America

The UAV or RPV (looking at Navytiger) use isn't my biggest concern, instead loiter time and sensor capabilites are the real issues.


CptBengal
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re: Drones being used in America
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Oh really. Turning on a camera and programming some waypoints into a fightpath does not a drone make.


Actually it does. A "drone" still receives some command purpose. A "true" AI which does not yet exist at all would make those decisions independently. A UAV is different in that a pilot is still involved in minute to minute decisions. Drones can receive a set of commands and then complete the mission without further intervention. You should know these difference btw.

So yes, a drone is not autonomous. Hence the term "drone".

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I wasn't discrediting your argument.


No you attempted to discredit the article and others in the thread for their perceived lack of knowledge, based on a terminology. In my field it's all jargon ,and nobody gets upset if a layperson uses a similar but technically different term....you see if the understand the POINT of the topic. By focusing on such a miniscule detail, and then telling everyone they're stupid, you are very definitely attempting to discredit comments. So sorry.


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CptBengal
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Link doesn't work for me.


it's a pdf, not a website.


SM6
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Member since Jul 2008
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re: Drones being used in America
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instead loiter time and sensor capabilites are the real issues.


Loiter time is an issue, but this can be accomplished with one or more aircraft. Hell the Breguet Atlantique 2 has an 18 hour endurance and more sensors than you could imagine... it was built in the 50s and 60s.

In fact aircraft have a better ability to employ more and advanced capability sensors then a drone. The RC-12 Guardrail has been used to outstanding effect in Iraq/Afghanistan. The difference with a drone is merely operating cost (acquisition cost still tends to be higher for the more advanced platforms)


Navytiger74
LSU Fan
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re: Drones being used in America
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it's a pdf, not a website.


I can't download it.


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Jbird
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In Odramaville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
20376 posts

re: Drones being used in America
No ejection seat, no life support requirements mean more fuel and more sensor/EO capabilites. The concern is the use on American citizens.


SM6
Navy Fan
Chicago
Member since Jul 2008
6628 posts

re: Drones being used in America
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No ejection seat


Nearly all SIGINT/Recce lack an ejection seat. The EA-18 is the only one if memory serves. There are conventional systems that have longer endurance and payload than a Reaper for example.

On the issue of using them to kill American citizens, yea I take umbrage to that. However for law enforcement/border patrol anti-narcotics I'm fine with it.


TheDoc
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re: Drones being used in America
Listening to hannity try to get onto Obama about drones when he's pro drone



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Antonio Moss
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Member since Mar 2006
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re: Drones being used in America
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but wasn't your hit on Europeans' use of drones to monitor criminal organizations more a critique of their Civil Liberties (in this case relating to privacy)?


Yes.

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That's what I was trying to address. Maybe my example wasn't the most apt.


I just don't think our overbearing criminal laws regarding certain harmless activities are directly equal to civil rights - which I always picture as things like legal protections against government intrusions.

I think what you're describing is the step after the intrusion occurs.

And I agree with your outlook there.


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Jbird
Iowa Fan
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re: Drones being used in America
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EA-18


Growler!


SM6
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Chicago
Member since Jul 2008
6628 posts

re: Drones being used in America
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Growler!


Had the opportunity to learn a little about that plane. Nothing short of Badass. Great replacement for the EA-6 and EF-111 for the RAAF. Hope we can sell it to more of our allies.


Jbird
Iowa Fan
In Odramaville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
20376 posts

re: Drones being used in America
My Aussie buddies shed a few tears over they last Aardvark flight!


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Aubie Spr96
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