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Do you think that gender roles are natural or symbols of oppression?

Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:21 pm
My coworker has 1 year old twin boys, and she and her husband have decided to raise them "genderless", as they believe that gender preferences (such as boys playing with GI figures and dinosaurs and girls playing with dolls and barbies)are invented and oppressive. What are your thoughts on this issue? Do you think children should be raised "genderless", as in they should not wear clothes or play with toys that go with their gender, but rather should "choose" what route to go?

Seems crazy to me.
Posted by tysonslefthook
Near Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1218 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:23 pm to
Your coworker is an idiot. I couldn't imagine working with someone that damned strange.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:24 pm to
Your coworker and her husband are dumb. If they believe there is no such thing as gender then why are they even married much less having children?
Posted by ruzil
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
16869 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:26 pm to
Ask them why they play traditional gender roles. What a couple of assholes and the husband is obviously a beta.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55438 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:29 pm to
It's funny that these people tend to label themselves as 'pro-science' when the rejection of difference in the sexes is about as unscientific as it gets.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69246 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:32 pm to
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It's funny that these people tend to label themselves as 'pro-science' when the rejection of difference in the sexes is about as unscientific as it gets.
I think they are more outraged over the fact that it is expected that boys like certain things, while girls like certain things. Race cars v. barbies, for example.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:41 pm to
Without any influence whatsoever, our boy loves trucks, construction vehicles and slugs.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:46 pm to
The woman wears the panties in that household for sure.
Posted by TheFolker
Member since Aug 2011
5182 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:51 pm to
Sounds like they both wear panties.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90484 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:56 pm to
Typically the boy will model after his father and the girl after her mother as a young child if it's a 2 parent household. It's natural instinct. There are a lot of things I liked as a kid and my parents never "encouraged" it.

I remember always wanting the z71 toy truck with the bass boat to play with, and toy farm tractors. I asked for them on my own will because my dad was a farmer and I wanted to be like him and for some reason I just loved boats even though at the time my dad didn't own one.
Posted by palm springs tiger
Member since Aug 2004
687 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 12:03 am to
Gender confusion sounds like a wonderful prelude to later life
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 7/3/14 at 12:07 am to
Your coworker is a dumb bitch, and her husband is a spineless pussy. Bet she makes him sit down to pee.

Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 12:47 am to
quote:

My coworker has 1 year old twin boys, and she and her husband have decided to raise them "genderless", as they believe that gender preferences (such as boys playing with GI figures and dinosaurs and girls playing with dolls and barbies)are invented and oppressive. What are your thoughts on this issue? Do you think children should be raised "genderless", as in they should not wear clothes or play with toys that go with their gender, but rather should "choose" what route to go?

Not pushing them towards certain toys is hardly being raised "genderless." It's also not very effective, unless they're also planning on isolating them from television, video games, movies, raising them in a home-school / commune where they only interact with other "genderless" kids, etc. Otherwise, they'll pick up on those societal gender role cues sooner or later.

I think it's nice from the simple standpoint of kids being allowed, whenever possible, to self-direct their own play and choose their own interests, but that's more of a general free-range parenting thing than a specific gender issue.

IMO, if you think gender roles are bullshite, it's foolish to pretend they don't exist. Better to raise your kid to recognize them and call out the bullshite so they can develop armor against people influencing them with "dinosaurs aren't for girls."
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 12:49 am
Posted by AaronDeTiger
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2014
1558 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 12:51 am to
Mission Viejo, CA explains it all. These are the same people that want to put everyone in groups and wage class warfare.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69246 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 12:54 am to
quote:

Mission Viejo, CA
One of the most republican cities in the country

Of the 56,286 registered voters in the city, 31,090 (55.2%) are Republicans, 14,319 (25.4%) are Democrats,
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23006 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:04 am to
There's nothing wrong with letting ones kids decide for themselves if they want to play football or be in the school drama program. Obviously gender roles are a product of societal norms so they can't be totally ignored. Parents shouldn't force their kids to adhere to a certain gender standard however.
Posted by AaronDeTiger
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2014
1558 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:36 am to
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HailHailtoMichigan!


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give me the percentage of genderless people in Cali vs Louisiana
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 1:39 am
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 4:32 am to
quote:

Obviously gender roles are a product of societal norms so they can't be totally ignored.


I believe gender roles are a product of millions of years of evolution.
Posted by DCRebel
An office somewhere
Member since Aug 2009
17644 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 4:51 am to
I had a neighbor like this. I got their point to an extent.

They had a little girl who, despite being pretty girly, did really like toys and books you'd get for boys. She liked Tonka trucks and dinosaurs and all that stuff (as well as dolls and coloring books). They didn't want to tell her that she couldn't have something that was "for boys" because they believed that societal pressures like that are why, for example, we don't have many women studying physics.

I wouldn't say they raised her "genderless" per se, but rather didn't want to say she couldn't have/do something because it was "for boys."
Posted by FT
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Member since Oct 2003
26925 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 4:51 am to
Both. Depends on the relationship and the person.
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