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Dardenne: Jindal's approach"outrageous"- UPDATE Jindal getting sued
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:08 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:08 am
From NOLA.com
Also:
17 lawmakers sue to stop common core
It's the usual coalition of wing-bat conservatives, social conservatives and democrats.
UPDATE
Lawsuit filed against Jindal by parents, teachers and a charter school
quote:
Nevertheless, Jindal has used his leverage over the state procurement office to try and scrap the use of Common Core in Louisiana. He suspended a government contract the state school board intended to use to purchase a Common Core standardized test for next year.
So with less than month to go until school starts, teachers and students are unclear about what academic assessment will be used to measure their achievement. Dardenne -- who thinks differences of education policy should be resolved during the legislative session -- said the governor has overstepped his bounds.
"This is an outrageous exercise in politics. Students and teachers are being left in a lurch," said Dardenne.
Also:
17 lawmakers sue to stop common core
It's the usual coalition of wing-bat conservatives, social conservatives and democrats.
quote:
The legislators bringing the lawsuit with Geymann include state Reps. James Armes, Terry Brown, Henry Burns, Johnny Guinn, Lance Harris, Joe Harrison, Kenny Havard, Bob Hensgens, Cameron Henry, Paul Hollis, Barry Ivey, Sam Jones, Rogers Pope, Dee Richard, John Schroder, and Lenar Whitney.
UPDATE
Lawsuit filed against Jindal by parents, teachers and a charter school
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 3:55 pm
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:14 am to BigJim
What is so bad about Common Core?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:15 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Nothing. And as a conservative, there's a bunch of people who are demagogueing this issue for profit or because they don't understand it or both.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:17 am to BigJim
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It's the usual coalition of wing-bat conservatives, social conservatives and democrats.
so everyone
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:28 am to BigJim
Dardenne is 100 percent correct.
I still can't figure if CC standards are the right direction for Louisiana; however, to have this drag out in the courts less than a month before most Louisiana public schools begin class is downright reckless.
There are one or two names in that list of legislators whom I've come to like (very tough for me to like a Baton Rouge politician), so that's disappointing. I would have thought that despite their opposition to Common Core, they would have at least not gone along with taking this to the courts as the new school year approaches. This issues should instead be re-addressed next legislative session.
Oh, that's right. Next year is election season for Louisiana state politicians. Jack-shite will get accomplished.
I still can't figure if CC standards are the right direction for Louisiana; however, to have this drag out in the courts less than a month before most Louisiana public schools begin class is downright reckless.
There are one or two names in that list of legislators whom I've come to like (very tough for me to like a Baton Rouge politician), so that's disappointing. I would have thought that despite their opposition to Common Core, they would have at least not gone along with taking this to the courts as the new school year approaches. This issues should instead be re-addressed next legislative session.
Oh, that's right. Next year is election season for Louisiana state politicians. Jack-shite will get accomplished.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:35 am to the808bass
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Nothing. And as a conservative, there's a bunch of people who are demagogueing this issue for profit or because they don't understand it or both.
There is nothing wrong with the current math curriculum either.....this shite is stupid. Who cares how we compare to Korea in math scores of some crazy method? Bottom line, they both arrive at the same answer.
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there's a bunch of people who are demagogueing this issue for profit
Riiiight, because no one on the common core side will profit a nickel, correct?
Look, it's too much too soon and is doing nothing but causing issues EVERYWHERE. We have spent a ton of money on nothing. America is the #1 economy and we did just fine with the old method! Now technology and computers are doing most of the heavy lifting.
And seriously to the guy who asked the question, the ONLY reason people want this is because other countries like Singapore and S Korea claim their kids score higher in math testing, so even though our way has led to the best economy in the world, blowhards who think America should win the spelling bee want the math taught here, that is it in a nutshell. And they act like it will make our school systems' problems go away.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:37 am to GeeOH
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There is nothing wrong with the current math curriculum either
Math curriculum isn't mandated by Common Core. Yes, the "Fuzzy Math curriculum" is the worst curriculum ever written. Ever. Now find in CC where the Fuzzy math curriculum is mandated. I'll shorten your search. It isn't. Any local school can choose any math curriculum.
Conflating these sorts of questions isn't helpful to the discussion.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:40 am to the808bass
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Math curriculum isn't mandated by Common Core. Yes, the "Fuzzy Math curriculum" is the worst curriculum ever written. Ever. Now find in CC where the Fuzzy math curriculum is mandated. I'll shorten your search. It isn't. Any local school can choose any math curriculum.
Now you need to stop bringing reason and facts into this discussion.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:47 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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What is so bad about Common Core?
nothing...except that the feds will soon use it to further their control over the states
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:50 am to Choctaw
How do you figure?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:52 am to Choctaw
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nothing...except that the feds will soon use it to further their control over the states
How do you figure this? CC was created by the states, not the federal government.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:59 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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CC was created by the states, not the federal government.
and? the feds are already involved
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:04 am to GeeOH
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Riiiight, because no one on the common core side will profit a nickel, correct?
I hesitate to label anyone as a nut-job conspiracy theorist, but who do you think will profit from Common Core that isn't profiting now?
Before you answer-yes there will be large contracts to testing vendors to conduct the common core tests. BUT there are ALREADY large contracts with testing vendors to implement whatever tests exist currently.
Dept of Education has a $75 million contract to do testing
There are basically 5 large education testing firms. They make a lot of money now, they will make a lot of money after common core is implemented.
I strongly suspect that as we move to computer based testing (which has its issues, as I have posted elsewhere) it will save us money. Part of what vendors charge for is printing the tests and scoring them. Going to be a lot easier to do that if they taken on a computer.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:07 am to ragincajun03
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Dardenne is 100 percent correct.
Agreed. At the very least, it's terrible leadership to drag this thing out the way it has. the practical application is that it's 7/22 and teachers and staff don't have any direction. That's not right.
This is the same type of shite conservatives rightly rip Obama for as far as failing to administer.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:09 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:08 am to BigJim
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I strongly suspect that as we move to computer based testing (which has its issues, as I have posted elsewhere) it will save us money. Part of what vendors charge for is printing the tests and scoring them. Going to be a lot easier to do that if they taken on a computer.
we don't need CC to implement computer testing
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:11 am to Choctaw
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and? the feds are already involved
That is basically correct. They feds got involved in testing with Bush's No Child Left Behind. That was an initiative were LA was actually ahead of the curve for once. To get No Child Left Behind dollars you have to implement a rigorous test. They don't really care what the substance of the test is.
That really has nothing to do with Common Core. However since Jindal suspended the contract that is used for testing (ALL testing in the state, not just Common Core testing) will could lost that money. I think someone posted that IN was in a similar situation. But really more important than that is we go backward by almost 2 decades and abandon high-stakes testing.
I for one, really like Jindal's other reforming in education (school choice, tenure reform). But his recent moves threaten to undo all of that.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:13 am to BigJim
I suspect that if one were to adopt the common core standards, but drop the expensive implementation of common core standardized tests, you would see a lot more outrage from the people who stand to profit from the standardized test.
I think you can follow the money to see where a lot of the common core promotion comes from.
I think you can follow the money to see where a lot of the common core promotion comes from.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:14 am to Choctaw
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we don't need CC to implement computer testing
Correct.
What do you propose?
The state of Louisiana shouldering that burden for developing that test? Individual districts piecemealing it? No idea?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:19 am to Ghostfacedistiller
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This is the same type of shite conservatives rightly rip Obama for as far as failing to administer.
Shh...you're not allowed to say stuff like this about Bobby Jindal if you are a TRUE Louisiana Republican.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:21 am to mauser
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I think you can follow the money to see where a lot of the common core promotion comes from.
I would love for someone to do that.
Right now it looks like big testing companies make a lot of money from testing (At least $75 million in LA alone, but every state uses some vendor). After Common Core testing firms will still make a lot of money from testing.
Is your contention that there are different firms that will make money based on Common Core then the ones currently profiting? Best I can come up with is that computer companies will be happy because it means more computers in class rooms; but we really should be doing that anyway and it has little to do with the specific standards proposed.
Please, show me the money trail.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:22 am
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