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Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:21 am to uway
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Cops need to be more judicious in their decisions to engage with people
What are you talking about? I bet upwards of 95% of all police who end up shooting a suspect spend the rest of their lives wishing they never had to do it. They only did so because they felt there was a real danger that had to be stopped.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:23 am to roadGator
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Again, I was stopped for not having a working light on my bike. I didn't get shot. How do you explain that?
You're not dumb, don't have the same relationship with authority that blacks do.
I'm not defending blacks view of the police. I think that's not a cut and dried situation, where you can flatly say they are right or wrong to distrust the police.
I'm not criticizing cops for "profiling". It's also not a simple problem.
I'm saying that it's irrational to expect everyone to respond the way you would respond. There's no way for us to achieve that outcome.
We CAN, however, dictate to police how they behave. They work for us. We can affect the paradigm under which they operate, and we can and should critique their response, even when stupid people act stupidly and get shot.
These cops shouldn't be harmed with murder, but this shouldn't be held up as a model of police behavior to be emulated.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:23 am to uway
I believe a person utilizing public roadways at night should be properly lighted. This is law in most locations for bicycles and in some for pedestrians not simply crossing at a cross walk.
I realize some municipalities may have variations in that law.
I realize some municipalities may have variations in that law.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:23 am to MrCarton
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Amirite?
Not at all.
You can spit on them or be rude. That's fine.
I'll be polite and ask them how they want to continue our interaction after they understand I have a permit to carry and a gun with me.
Most cops appreciate it.
I don't have the hatred for cops like you though.
I've never been given a hard time.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:24 am to DelU249
quote:I assume you mean CC license/permit and not the actual CC weapon.
CC in the other
Why would you display that without being asked?
ETA - I just looked it up. Some states require it but most states are "If Asked". I am in an "If Asked" state.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 10:37 am
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:24 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Any one on here hear about the white female cop murdered within the last week? Looked for it on Google and for some unexplained reason there is nothing to be found about it. hmmmm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:24 am to uway
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I'm saying that it's irrational to expect everyone to respond the way you would respond.
Agreed. I don't expect criminals, like in this case, to be polite and follow legal orders.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:25 am to Diamondawg
Of course he means the permit. 
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:26 am to MrCarton
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Just cup the balls and do whatever they say. If they ask to frick your wife or girlfriend, agree. Otherwise, they can and will use any tool at their disposal to show you just how powerful they are.
And hey, I mean they are protecting our freedoms, so why not just accept that cops can pull you over without cause, claim to smell pot, and search your vehicle and detain you for hours any time they want?
Amirite?
This is beyond stupid. If you are being illegally stopped do you just peel away or run? No. Why is that?
the guy in the video followed your advice and he's in the morgue.
What they teach you is to not give a statement without first speaking to a lawyer if you must use your firearm in self defense and during traffic stops to let the officer know you have a weapon as you can imagine how it might go badly otherwise
Cops frick up and overreach and make poor decisions. They're not teaching you to how to stick to your psychotic Ron Paul principles. They teach you how to not get fricking shot
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:28 am to DelU249
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This is beyond stupid. If you are being illegally stopped do you just peel away or run? No. Why is that?
the guy in the video followed your advice and he's in the morgue.
What advice? I literally said do exactly what you said to do.
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What they teach you is to not give a statement without first speaking to a lawyer if you must use your firearm in self defense and during traffic stops to let the officer know you have a weapon as you can imagine how it might go badly otherwise
Cops frick up and overreach and make poor decisions. They're not teaching you to how to stick to your psychotic Ron Paul principles. They teach you how to not get fricking shot
Well, I'm looking for where we disagree on how to handle police interactions.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:29 am to MrCarton
You really are miserable foul mouthed person aren't you?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:29 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I bet upwards of 95% of all police who end up shooting a suspect spend the rest of their lives wishing they never had to do it. They only did so because they felt there was a real danger that had to be stopped
I'd say it's closer to 100%, which is all the more reason for them to avoid these situations when they can do so without endangering anyone.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:31 am to uway
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We can't justify shoots because there "could" have been a deadly threat, wtf
It isn't the shirt hanging loose by itself. It's the totality of the incident in which a guy doesn't obey the police, pushes one of them, then takes off running.
Might be extreme but if the guy was butt naked do you think the police would have shot him? If you answer yes, then you think the cops are racist. Nothing wrong with your opinion but I am just trying to point out that the loose shirt is only part of the overall equation of what happened.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:32 am to roadGator
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I've never been given a hard time.
I have, and I've never been anything but Respectful to cops.
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Most cops appreciate it.
I don't do it because they appreciate it. I do it because they can and will frick you in the arse at slightest provocation.
Which is exactly why people tend to be courteous when cops give them 150 dollar fines for going 5 over the limit.
It's not hard to figure this out. But if you want to act like this is all based on mutual respect and not a cops near unlimited authority over your actions, that's cool with me.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:33 am to DelU249
If he had a knife he was fricking armed
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:33 am to uway
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I'd say it's closer to 100%, which is all the more reason for them to avoid these situations when they can do so without endangering anyone.
And I'm saying close to 100% do that already man. I see some idiots in here and elsewhere saying "well if the guy hadn't been stopped for something as stupid as no light on his bike at night, he wouldn't be dead" and that's just fricking stupid.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:34 am to DelU249
It's all fun and games till folks start getting hung juries for killing a cop because they "feared for their life", that's where this is headed.
Not speaking to this incident but there will be a toll paid for the thin blue line nonsense.
Not speaking to this incident but there will be a toll paid for the thin blue line nonsense.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:34 am to MrCarton
I think you should comply so you can go home sooner or just go home period
Mccgrath made a point that get me every time. Cops give an order to stop. He did that. Most people for whatever reason do not understand that turning around in such a way gets you a bullet. You complied and still got shot
That situation is almost a no win...so that's why you comply earlier by not running or resisting.
Fight for your rights in a setting that isn't full of unknowns and a gun
Mccgrath made a point that get me every time. Cops give an order to stop. He did that. Most people for whatever reason do not understand that turning around in such a way gets you a bullet. You complied and still got shot
That situation is almost a no win...so that's why you comply earlier by not running or resisting.
Fight for your rights in a setting that isn't full of unknowns and a gun
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:36 am to DelU249
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but to the point where he was shot, the way he stopped and turned, the officer has no choice.
False. He had many choices.
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they know he had a knife because he told them, but there's no way of knowing if he had a gun. we don't have enough super soldiers with ocular pat down abilities
This just makes the cops seem even less competent.
And nobody said we needed super soldiers. If you see a gun, you see a gun. You don't get to imagine a gun and use that as an excuse for shooting a man in the back. Well unless you're a cop.
See the problem here?
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